Episode 50: AI in Education

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Welcome to the Under the Hat podcast,

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the show where we talk

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about everything and

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anything that is top of

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mind in education.

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The goal is to provide

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meaningful conversations to

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what is currently happening

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in our classrooms.

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Stories, pains, moments of success.

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We want to hear it all.

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friends welcome back to

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under the hat podcast and

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here we are at episode five

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zero fifty uh Sophie and I

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have been talking a lot

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about this uh really

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precious special Milestone

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for the show so we

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appreciate everybody that

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has been listening watching

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um contributing to the show in some

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And I'm really excited.

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It's a beautiful day out

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here in California.

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It's very sunny.

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And Sophie actually earlier this week,

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I think, made a joke about, Steve,

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you cannot survive

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somewhere else in the

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country because I get cold quite easily.

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We're kind of talking about the snow.

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Sophie,

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how is the weather out in West Virginia?

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Yeah.

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It's actually in the upper fifties.

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Thank goodness.

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My oldest is already outside

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playing with a light jacket

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and I am thrilled that

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things are starting to get warmer,

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but snow is forecasted in the future.

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So it's, this is like our false winner,

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false hope window we got

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going on right now.

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Nice.

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Nice.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And maybe Mark will have a

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different aspect of what

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the weather looks like

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where he is because he's

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between Steve and I.

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Today's guest is Mark Henderson,

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serves as a director of

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digital initiatives at the

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Missouri's School Boards Association,

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where he leads their A.I.

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advisory group and

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spearheaded the creation of the A.I.

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toolkit for K- twelve education.

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Mark has presented on AI's

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impact in education at

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major conferences across the country,

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including Chicago, Dallas, Kansas City,

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and Minneapolis.

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No, yeah, Minneapolis.

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That didn't make sense in my

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head for some reason.

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And with a background as a

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high school English teacher

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and extensive experience in

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educational and corporate technology,

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Mark brings a unique blend

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of classroom insight and

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tech experience to his work

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in advancing AI in schools.

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welcome to the show mark

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thank you that was a great

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introduction that chat gpt

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helped me write about

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myself a few months ago

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right I forgot about that I

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was like oh I sound really

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impressive if you hadn't

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provided that I would have

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used some another ai to do

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that as well I've done that

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with other guests I've just

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like plugged in stuff I've

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copied and pasted off of um

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to use ai because that's

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It's stuff that's public on the web anyway,

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so I don't feel bad about

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putting it in AI.

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Sure.

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But then, yeah.

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So what is the weather like there?

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You want the weather report from Missouri,

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right?

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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So we have this saying in Missouri, wait,

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if you don't like the weather,

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wait five minutes.

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I'm sure other states use that, too.

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But so it was a week ago it

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was it was below zero.

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And then we had like seventy

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five degrees this week and

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now it's down to like thirty today.

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So you just roll with it.

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Your body never knows what what to expect.

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So, Steve,

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you would you would freeze here.

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that's why I can't survive

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we have a friend that lives

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in erie and they literally

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had feet of snow in one

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snowstorm and we were steve

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is like cold in sixty

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degree weather and we're

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like steve you would just

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die in erie um but anyways

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mark uh we did we did just

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talk about how you are

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speaking you're on an ai

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advisory group you created

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the ai toolkit for k- Twelve education

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But that's where you are now.

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How about you talk to us a

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little bit about your education journey,

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how you got here?

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it's funny I have two

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teenage daughters and

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they're both at that age

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where at school they're

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like you got to kind of

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figure out a career path a

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direction you want to go

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and it stresses them out

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I'm like I could have never

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guessed when I was in high

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school twenty years ago

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that um I'd be going around

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the country talking about

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ai like that that was not a thing so

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I try to say you never know

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what you end up.

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Just choose something that

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interests you and go that direction,

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because I never would have

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thought this would be my life.

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So, Steve, I heard you say on a podcast,

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I can't remember which one,

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but one of your episodes

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that there's kind of two

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kinds of teachers,

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the ones that were like

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really good in school and

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the ones that didn't like school.

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I was certainly in that

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ladder as a student.

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I was smart,

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but I was just bored most of the time.

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You know,

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I was the kid who would raise

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their hand and go like,

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why do we have to know this?

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Why do we have to learn this?

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You know, teachers love that.

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I got that as a teacher.

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I got the karma that,

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that I put in the world.

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You know, I wasn't a bad kid.

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I didn't get in trouble, but I just wasn't,

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I didn't feel challenged

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most of the time.

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And that kind of motivated

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me when I was in college,

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when I had to choose a career, like,

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someone pointed out, like,

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you're good at explaining things.

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You should try being a teacher.

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You should consider it.

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And I thought, well,

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I know there are a lot of

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things not to do.

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I would do it differently.

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So that kind of motivated me

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to go in that direction.

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So I became a high school English teacher.

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And I did that for

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few years, good experiences,

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that side of things.

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So I really got into looking

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at ed tech and things like that.

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And while I was teaching,

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I got my master's degree in

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instructional design,

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worked at a college for a while,

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went online learning, that sort of thing,

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putting classes together.

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And then I had my,

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I think they call it

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rumspringa in the Amish world,

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where you kind of, you know,

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when the Amish people get

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to go out in the world and

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see if they like it,

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and then they have to decide.

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That was kind of my career rumspringa was,

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I was like,

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I'm going to try the corporate world.

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I'm going to leave education for a while.

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And I got a job at a bank

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working and doing

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instructional design and training there.

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And I did it for about five years.

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I learned, no, I don't want to do this.

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I miss education.

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I learned a lot.

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And it applies now to what I do.

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Just the corporate culture just wasn't,

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I just never really blended in.

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So back in twenty twenty one,

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I just kind of found the

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perfect job for me right here in Columbia,

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Missouri,

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with the Missouri School Boards

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Association.

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I started out and I still do

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instructional design for them.

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But in the last couple of years,

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a lot of my job has been about AI,

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reading about it, learning about it,

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talking to people about it,

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going to conferences, presenting.

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Yeah,

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I never thought this would be my life.

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I don't like it when people

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call me an AI expert

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because I don't know that

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anybody's an AI expert,

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but I'm certainly not.

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I might know more than the average person,

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but yeah, it's cool.

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It's great to be where I am now.

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I find it fascinating just

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listening to your story of

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being in education

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and then going and taking

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that knowledge and applying

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it to industry in some way

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even if it wasn't like your

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cup of tea I I kind of

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those these types of

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stories I don't hear often

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I've I've heard it maybe

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three times over the last

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few years but it's

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something that happens

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right and there's there's a

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market for that like when

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I'm on linkedin and kind of

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seeing those types of opportunities

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absolutely you know um I

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worked with a lot of people

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when I worked for the bank

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very smart very

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knowledgeable about banking

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and customer service and

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all these things but they

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couldn't teach they

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couldn't you know they

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didn't have those skills

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that background yeah so in

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addition to creating online

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materials for bankers like

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here's how you use this program,

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or here's how you talk to

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customers about this.

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A lot of it was working with

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the other leaders, like,

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here's how you give a good presentation.

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Here's how you stay engaged

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and keep your audience's

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attention and things like that,

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because they just came from

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a different world than I did.

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Yeah.

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Don't we all have to take

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that speech class and call it speech?

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Some people it sticks more than others,

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I guess.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So in terms of content,

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it was like I'd imagine

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like a wide range of things

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that you needed to design.

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It was totally foreign to me.

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It was like if I was, you know,

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teaching a French class or

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something and I don't speak French,

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like I learned a lot about

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banking and regulations and

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what you can do and can do

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and what you say and don't say.

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And it was it was interesting.

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I think a lot of it's

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probably left my brain by this point.

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because it's been replaced by AI stuff.

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But it was really

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fascinating just to try

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something totally different

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where you're just like,

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I don't know what any of this means.

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I know how to make a course.

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I know how to make a presentation.

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But when it comes to the content,

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I have no clue.

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Yeah, yeah.

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No, that's certainly fascinating.

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We can dive in more into the

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AI components of this pod,

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of this episode.

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One thing that I know that, Mark,

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like something that you

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speak on often and kind of

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address is like just the

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misconceptions that are out

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there around AI.

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I'm really keen to hear what

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those are and what you have

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to say about them.

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Yeah.

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So, you know,

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David Letterman was famous

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for his top ten list.

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I just have a top five list

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because that's enough.

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But, you know,

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the last couple of years

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I've talked to so many

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people and read so many

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things and there just seem

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to be some common

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misconceptions that I hear a lot.

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And I always try to put

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those out there to help

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people understand better.

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So number one is that people

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think that AI is new.

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They say, oh, it's this shiny new thing.

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But AI has been around since

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the nineteen fifties.

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You know, it's it's not new.

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It just seems new because of

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generative AI programs like chat GPT,

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which are new.

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But AI has been around forever,

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and we use it all the time, right?

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Siri and Alexa and GPS and

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predictive text and things like that.

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We have a little quiz here for you guys.

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What year do you think the

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first chatbot went on?

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The first chatbot went live.

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I'm going to say face.

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I'm guessing.

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Nineteen seventy one.

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OK.

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Sophie, the first day I chat by, um.

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I'm thinking back of when, like,

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the Internet was even given

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to me in school.

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So I, I'm gonna say later than Steve,

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but so, like, two thousand six.

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Yeah.

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well uh steve's closer

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actually was the first ai

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chat bot if you can believe

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that and the first thing

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like sophie you're thinking

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well the internet didn't

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really exist yet how is

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there an ai chat bot it's

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because it was only on one computer

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You couldn't access it from a network.

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It was called ELIZA,

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which I think is

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interesting because we have

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this personification now,

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Siri and Alexa giving human

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names to these robots.

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It was called ELIZA and it

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was supposed to be a psychotherapist.

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It didn't do a very good job,

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but you could make an

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appointment and you could

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come type and talk to ELIZA

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and she would give you

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advice and listen to you.

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So yeah, AI is not new.

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That's my misconception number one.

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Number two is that there's

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this kind of debate about is AI good?

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Is AI bad?

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Sometimes is AI evil?

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Neither is the truth.

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AI is just a tool.

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I love to compare it to a hammer.

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It's a tool.

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People can do good things

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and bad things with a hammer.

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People can do good things

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and bad things with AI.

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But AI is just a tool.

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So what you do with it is what matters.

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Number three is this fear

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that robots are taking over the world.

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You know,

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a lot of the early knowledge that

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people get about AI is from

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science fiction.

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The key word I would say is fiction,

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right?

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So the Terminator and iRobot

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and AI and movies like that,

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they're not real.

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And the stuff that happens

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in those movies isn't

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happening in real life.

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Humans are still in charge

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of the AI right now.

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So anything that it does,

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it's because a human taught

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it to do that or told it to do that.

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These robots, these AI programs,

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they can't think and act on their own.

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Number three,

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if you guys feel free to

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interrupt at any time if

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you want to say anything,

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I'm just going to.

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I got two more.

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Or sorry.

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Yeah, two.

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Number four is this fear

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that we're all going to

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lose our jobs to AI.

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That's a real fear.

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Not true, the experts say.

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The University of

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Pennsylvania put out a report that said,

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eighty percent of American

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jobs will be affected by AI

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in the next five years.

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Affected.

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So some jobs will go away.

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There'll be some new jobs.

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But a lot of us,

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what we do and how we

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interact with technology is

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going to change.

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And certainly if you want to

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be one of those people who

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gets to keep your job,

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you need to embrace change.

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You need to be open to AI,

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things like that.

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There's an author I love named Kevin Roos,

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R-O-O-S-E.

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He writes a lot of good stuff online,

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but he also,

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he wrote this book called Future Proof,

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Nine Rules for Humans in

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the Age of Automation.

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It's a great book.

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I don't know if you can see it there.

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I'm just a free plug.

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and he's he's just such

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great practical things in

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this book about technology

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and where we're going and

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he tells the story about

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when electricity became

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common so they used to have

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these people who were oil

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lamp lighters and when the

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sun went down their job was

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to go around town and light

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these oil lamps so that

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people could see well then

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electricity comes along and

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they don't need those jobs

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anymore because you know

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the lights come on by themselves

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So what happened to those guys?

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They got jobs at the power company.

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They got different jobs,

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but jobs went away, but they changed.

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So it's not like they were

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out on the street.

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They just found a new use for them.

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So you kind of think about

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AI in the same way.

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Some of the jobs that might

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be going away will be

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replaced by some new ones.

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And number five is- Sorry,

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I just want to stop you there.

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There's actually like a cartoon where like

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It was from my childhood and

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it was a factory.

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And this man was putting on

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the lids of toothpaste and

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then they brought in a

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robot to replace him.

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But then he just ended up

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being the person working

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and fixing the robot.

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It's not that it would replace him.

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He just got to end up a different job.

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Yeah, exactly.

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And that's a lot of what

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we're going to see with AI as well.

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So misconception five is

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that it's easy to spot when

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something is AI generated,

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either writing or images or video.

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Most people think I'm smart

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enough to tell the difference.

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I could tell if something was fake or not.

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But they've done studies and

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the majority of Americans

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can't tell the difference

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between real human content

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and AI generated content.

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And I got to tell you,

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in the two years I've been doing this,

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it's gotten so much harder

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because I used to be able

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to talk about like, you know,

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count the fingers.

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Do they have six fingers?

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Oh, it's probably not real.

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Are there like blurry spots

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in the background?

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Stuff like that.

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You can't really rely on

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that stuff anymore.

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It's gotten so good and so convincing,

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and it's only going to get harder.

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So really,

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we have to educate ourselves and

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others about manipulation of AI.

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And the key is really critical thinking.

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And I think, Sophie,

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you mentioned before we

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went live is the younger

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people are used to these kinds of things.

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They grew up with it.

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But the older you get,

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you haven't really been

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exposed to this sort of thing.

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So it's important to talk to our parents,

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our grandparents about these things,

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because they can get scammed.

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They can fall for, you know,

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fake information, things like that.

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They're not getting the

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exposure that that the

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young people are getting.

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My kids are really cynical

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about stuff online.

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They're like, that's probably not real.

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Like they're just that's just their brain.

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But the older you go,

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you're not you're not used

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to that way because you

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didn't grow up in that world.

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so like what you're

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describing here like to me

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for me personally this is

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like the scariest part

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about it right is like how

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good it's getting and the

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fact that it can be

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anywhere referencing

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anything yeah um and for a world that has

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of like what you mentioned

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like we're we're kind of in

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this point and I guess like

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human history where like

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some of us remember what

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it's like to get dialed up

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internet for the first time

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right well some of us like

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we're like the the iphone

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the smartphone is just it's

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always been there so like

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we we do or kind of at a

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interesting place with our

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exposure and experience

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with this type of technology,

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generally speaking.

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You know,

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it used to be the joke was like

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your parents, your grandparents would say,

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when I was your age,

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I had to walk to school, you know,

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ten feet of snow and all that stuff.

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I think the modern version

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of that is me telling my kids, like,

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when I was your age,

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I had to use dial-up

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internet and wait for a

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single image to download

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for five minutes.

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And, you know,

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it blows their mind how much

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stuff has changed.

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We had these giant books

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called photo albums.

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Encyclopedias.

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Yeah, right.

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I know.

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I told my kids once that I

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was older than Google,

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and it just blew their mind.

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what?

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People would have thought I said, you know,

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I was alive before

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electricity was invented or something.

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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No, those are, those are all,

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those are really good.

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Like, I mean the, the,

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the five misconceptions I

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feel like at least I hear

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somewhat on a regular basis

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or have some concern over,

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over those topics.

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And, and,

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in some way um I do know

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that you've also done work

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around policy is that is

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that correct in terms of

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like what schools and

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districts should be doing

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around that and sophie and

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I have talked about this

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offline but like kind of

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like you know you kind of

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have some folks that are

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like no policy cut off

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while others are being

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really purposeful um

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What are the, what are the ramifications?

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Like what, what are the effects of, of,

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of either and kind of what is your,

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what is your mindset with all that?

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So this is something I hear a lot is like,

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do we need an AI policy or not?

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And because I work a lot

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with school boards,

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policy is a big part of

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what they do is adopting policy.

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And the message I give them

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is whether you have a

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standalone AI policy or you

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weave it in other places,

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you need to spell out

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artificial intelligence in your policies.

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There's different ways to go

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about doing it,

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and we haven't really

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talked about my AI toolkit yet,

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but there's a couple of

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examples of AI policies in

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there as well that people can look at.

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But the story I like to tell

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is from back in October,

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there was a school,

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you may have heard about this in,

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I believe it was in Boston,

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where a history teacher

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gave a project to students

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and this boy turned in his

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project and the history

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teacher could tell that he's Chad GPT.

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He's like, psh, F, you cheated.

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The parents sued the school

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because they said it

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doesn't say in that assignment,

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it doesn't say in your syllabus,

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it doesn't say in your

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policies that he can't use it.

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Now,

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I don't know how that's going to turn

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out in the courts.

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but you guys don't want to

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go to court for this, right?

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You got another gift.

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So my advice is always,

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whether you have a

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standalone AI policy or you

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address it other places,

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like your plagiarism policy,

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your technology use agreement,

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you need to spell it out.

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Because just saying like,

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Students won't use

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electronic tools and

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claiming it as their own

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work or whatever.

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That's too vague in the age of AI.

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You really need to spell out

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what's acceptable and what's not.

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And I think a lot of times

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the best thing to put in

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policy is the teacher will

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determine what level of AI

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can be used and then make

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sure your teacher's in

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their syllabi and their

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assignments are spelling it out.

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There's kind of this common,

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you've probably seen at the stoplight,

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technique that people use to

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teach what level of ai is

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okay on this project red

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means none yellow means

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under the conditions I give

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you and green means go wild

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so that's kind of a basic

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version but yeah I can't

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stress enough if you're if

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you're at the leadership

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level you need to put in

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your policies if you're a

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teacher you need to address

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it in your in your assignments

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yeah yeah there was sophie

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this may have been an

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episode that that you were

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maybe it was when you were

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at fetc because I remember

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doing this solo um but the

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guests for for an episode a

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while back like we we had

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that conversation of like

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he was just like I want if

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they're going to use ai

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they just needed to disclose it and how

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because some of the stuff he

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was doing it's not always

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essay writing right it's a

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project-based nature and

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one can make an argument

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that like ai can there's a

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place for that right in

00:23:06.875 --> 00:23:07.736
that kind of learning and

00:23:07.756 --> 00:23:10.237
that kind of project um I

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also think it helps bridge like

00:23:12.833 --> 00:23:14.336
better relationships and

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better discussions between

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educators and their

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students around this topic and around AI,

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which hopefully will be

00:23:23.791 --> 00:23:25.434
enlightening and insightful

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for everyone involved.

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And, you know, none of this is new.

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I mean, AI, generative AI is new,

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but the idea of plagiarism, I mean,

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I'm sure back in the, you know,

00:23:37.747 --> 00:23:38.527
caveman days,

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people were probably copying

00:23:39.667 --> 00:23:41.990
each other's drawings off the cave wall,

00:23:42.069 --> 00:23:42.369
right?

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Like plagiarism is not new.

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I love to show this article

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about teachers in the

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eighties protesting

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calculator use in schools

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saying calculators are cheating.

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Sophie feels very passionate about that.

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So I say,

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so when I have a room full of people,

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I like to say,

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is it cheating to use a

00:24:02.078 --> 00:24:04.361
calculator on your math homework?

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And what's the answer?

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Well, it depends, right?

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It depends on what you're assessing.

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Exactly.

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AI is the same way.

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Like, what's the ultimate goal?

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What are they learning?

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What are they, what's being assessed?

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So again,

00:24:18.092 --> 00:24:20.273
it comes back to that whole AI as a tool,

00:24:20.814 --> 00:24:21.114
right?

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When's it right to use it?

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When is it not right to use it?

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And because you mentioned that,

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I just want to say this,

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that like we've had AI in

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the classrooms for a while

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because they would like

00:24:34.498 --> 00:24:35.919
take pictures of their math

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work and it would tell them

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how to solve it.

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But no one was like it

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wasn't a national uprise

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and there weren't articles

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and news and constant

00:24:45.786 --> 00:24:50.950
podcasts about that app on their phone.

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I'm a math teacher, by the way.

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on their phone that they was

00:24:54.970 --> 00:24:56.471
telling them how to do the

00:24:56.510 --> 00:24:57.332
work and the kids weren't

00:24:57.372 --> 00:24:58.413
actually using it the way

00:24:58.432 --> 00:24:59.334
it was designed so they

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could actually learn what

00:25:00.294 --> 00:25:00.954
they're supposed to do.

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They were just getting the answer,

00:25:02.115 --> 00:25:03.416
copying it down and moving on.

00:25:04.538 --> 00:25:05.077
And then,

00:25:05.919 --> 00:25:08.260
so like this uprising about calculators,

00:25:08.280 --> 00:25:10.383
there wasn't really one about the, that,

00:25:10.871 --> 00:25:12.892
that app um for math and but

00:25:13.071 --> 00:25:15.053
but but kids are gonna go

00:25:15.252 --> 00:25:17.314
use generati to write an

00:25:17.394 --> 00:25:19.855
essay and oh my gosh it's

00:25:19.914 --> 00:25:21.355
national news and people

00:25:21.415 --> 00:25:22.375
are freaking out about them

00:25:22.435 --> 00:25:23.696
cheating on essays and I'm

00:25:23.737 --> 00:25:27.878
like use it I'm all about

00:25:28.019 --> 00:25:28.999
using it as the tool to

00:25:29.038 --> 00:25:30.359
teach what the actual thing

00:25:30.380 --> 00:25:32.121
that you're about to do I

00:25:32.161 --> 00:25:32.980
taught middle school math

00:25:33.381 --> 00:25:34.481
if my kids were struggling

00:25:34.501 --> 00:25:35.362
with their multiplication

00:25:35.402 --> 00:25:36.722
tables I was going to give

00:25:36.742 --> 00:25:37.782
them the calculator so they

00:25:37.803 --> 00:25:39.644
could learn how to find the slope

00:25:40.268 --> 00:25:42.888
and do proportions in my math class,

00:25:42.909 --> 00:25:43.689
because that's what I was

00:25:43.709 --> 00:25:44.848
supposed to be teaching them,

00:25:45.269 --> 00:25:46.750
not trying to get them to

00:25:46.769 --> 00:25:47.630
memorize something that

00:25:47.650 --> 00:25:49.049
they were supposed to have

00:25:49.109 --> 00:25:50.730
learned earlier and before me.

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So I'm like, okay,

00:25:52.931 --> 00:25:54.230
let's use Grammarly to work

00:25:54.250 --> 00:25:55.912
with your grammar while

00:25:55.951 --> 00:25:58.152
you're focusing on genre

00:25:58.392 --> 00:25:59.732
and alliteration and

00:25:59.752 --> 00:26:00.913
descriptive language.

00:26:00.952 --> 00:26:01.792
Yes, let's do that.

00:26:01.833 --> 00:26:02.834
That's my opinion,

00:26:02.894 --> 00:26:04.054
but I know other people

00:26:04.074 --> 00:26:04.993
have other opinions.

00:26:05.473 --> 00:26:06.354
Use it as a tool.

00:26:06.674 --> 00:26:07.894
I agree.

00:26:07.914 --> 00:26:08.474
It's not going away.

00:26:09.638 --> 00:26:11.220
I like to cite this study, too,

00:26:11.240 --> 00:26:12.759
that Education Week did

00:26:13.359 --> 00:26:15.361
that the number of kids who

00:26:15.921 --> 00:26:17.622
are cheating has not gone

00:26:17.701 --> 00:26:20.002
up since ChatGPT came around.

00:26:20.343 --> 00:26:20.702
Basically,

00:26:20.722 --> 00:26:22.222
the kids who used to cheat are

00:26:22.262 --> 00:26:22.943
still doing it.

00:26:23.163 --> 00:26:24.463
They're probably using AI now.

00:26:25.104 --> 00:26:25.703
The kids who weren't

00:26:25.723 --> 00:26:26.845
cheating aren't cheating now.

00:26:27.204 --> 00:26:30.026
So it really hasn't changed.

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I love that.

00:26:31.046 --> 00:26:31.306
Yeah.

00:26:31.365 --> 00:26:32.826
The kids that are going to

00:26:32.866 --> 00:26:33.866
find a loophole are going

00:26:33.886 --> 00:26:35.087
to find a loophole no matter what.

00:26:35.107 --> 00:26:35.188
Yes.

00:26:35.567 --> 00:26:38.388
Exactly.

00:26:38.429 --> 00:26:38.989
That's amazing.

00:26:40.105 --> 00:26:41.567
I see,

00:26:41.586 --> 00:26:44.469
because you mentioned Grammarly just now.

00:26:46.210 --> 00:26:47.050
I came from a school

00:26:47.090 --> 00:26:50.212
district that they blocked Grammarly,

00:26:50.893 --> 00:26:52.534
not because it was AI, but because,

00:26:52.654 --> 00:26:54.516
at least at the time, it wasn't,

00:26:54.816 --> 00:26:56.737
at least in the eyes of the district,

00:26:56.856 --> 00:26:59.159
it wasn't as compliant as

00:26:59.239 --> 00:27:01.480
others with privacy security.

00:27:03.162 --> 00:27:03.862
At least that's what was

00:27:03.922 --> 00:27:05.282
told to us teachers, right?

00:27:05.303 --> 00:27:07.084
And like, OK, cool, checks out.

00:27:09.488 --> 00:27:09.827
But Mark,

00:27:09.948 --> 00:27:11.729
I do know part of what you bring

00:27:11.769 --> 00:27:12.808
to the table into this

00:27:12.868 --> 00:27:14.170
conversation is the

00:27:14.210 --> 00:27:15.789
importance of vetting these

00:27:15.910 --> 00:27:20.392
AI tools and how to protect student data.

00:27:22.613 --> 00:27:25.153
What does that look like in your mind?

00:27:27.354 --> 00:27:28.974
What are the things to identify?

00:27:29.835 --> 00:27:31.655
What is that work involved?

00:27:31.695 --> 00:27:34.757
And is there a rubric in

00:27:34.777 --> 00:27:37.117
your view of what to look for?

00:27:38.496 --> 00:27:40.838
This is one of the hardest parts, right,

00:27:40.878 --> 00:27:42.480
is to make sure that before

00:27:42.500 --> 00:27:43.381
you use a tool,

00:27:43.421 --> 00:27:44.261
especially before you let

00:27:44.281 --> 00:27:45.182
your students use a tool,

00:27:45.202 --> 00:27:46.464
that it's safe for them.

00:27:47.085 --> 00:27:48.006
It's going to protect their

00:27:48.046 --> 00:27:50.788
personal data and that sort of thing.

00:27:51.009 --> 00:27:52.431
It's not going to show them

00:27:52.451 --> 00:27:53.332
anything crazy they

00:27:53.352 --> 00:27:54.913
shouldn't see at their age, too,

00:27:54.953 --> 00:27:55.795
is an important part.

00:27:57.500 --> 00:28:00.103
So we recommend that you vet

00:28:00.163 --> 00:28:01.243
all your tools before you

00:28:01.284 --> 00:28:02.523
let your students use them.

00:28:03.045 --> 00:28:04.705
But what does that mean?

00:28:05.886 --> 00:28:09.048
If you go to pretty much any AI website,

00:28:09.588 --> 00:28:10.450
it's going to say, oh,

00:28:10.670 --> 00:28:11.851
we don't sell your data.

00:28:11.951 --> 00:28:13.332
Your data is protected.

00:28:13.751 --> 00:28:15.032
But that doesn't mean it's true.

00:28:16.253 --> 00:28:17.273
One of the most fascinating

00:28:17.694 --> 00:28:19.536
and awkward conversations I

00:28:19.556 --> 00:28:22.178
ever had was we had someone

00:28:22.218 --> 00:28:23.838
demo an AI tool for us.

00:28:24.419 --> 00:28:26.681
And we had one of our lawyers on the call.

00:28:27.661 --> 00:28:28.622
And our lawyer was going

00:28:28.642 --> 00:28:29.883
through their website and like, oh, well,

00:28:29.923 --> 00:28:30.883
it says here that you

00:28:30.923 --> 00:28:31.884
protect the information.

00:28:31.923 --> 00:28:32.825
Well, how do you do that?

00:28:32.964 --> 00:28:34.566
And they know what to say,

00:28:34.925 --> 00:28:36.767
but they can't really prove it.

00:28:37.248 --> 00:28:38.448
AI is a goldmine right now.

00:28:38.508 --> 00:28:39.709
Everybody wants to sell you

00:28:39.788 --> 00:28:41.750
some cool product or something,

00:28:42.250 --> 00:28:43.271
or they want something free.

00:28:43.332 --> 00:28:44.092
It's going to take all your

00:28:44.112 --> 00:28:45.173
information from you.

00:28:46.973 --> 00:28:48.476
So you really have to be careful.

00:28:49.217 --> 00:28:50.598
You got to read the fine print.

00:28:50.999 --> 00:28:52.260
You got to ask questions.

00:28:52.441 --> 00:28:53.261
You know what you could do?

00:28:53.301 --> 00:28:55.023
You could take their

00:28:55.044 --> 00:28:55.904
disclaimer and you could

00:28:55.944 --> 00:28:57.547
put it in chat TPT and say,

00:28:58.367 --> 00:28:59.588
are there any red flags here?

00:29:00.009 --> 00:29:00.871
Things like that.

00:29:01.371 --> 00:29:01.612
Perfect.

00:29:02.051 --> 00:29:03.413
Have the AI check the AI.

00:29:03.433 --> 00:29:03.733
I love that.

00:29:03.753 --> 00:29:06.036
Fight fire with fire, right?

00:29:06.517 --> 00:29:06.876
Yeah.

00:29:06.916 --> 00:29:09.420
So a couple of really good

00:29:09.640 --> 00:29:11.020
places that can help you.

00:29:11.602 --> 00:29:13.943
Common Sense Media has tons

00:29:13.983 --> 00:29:15.025
of great stuff on AI,

00:29:15.085 --> 00:29:15.625
and they've started

00:29:15.665 --> 00:29:18.087
publishing reviews of AI tools.

00:29:18.788 --> 00:29:19.690
And they will tell you what

00:29:19.829 --> 00:29:21.750
grade level they're appropriate for.

00:29:22.431 --> 00:29:23.872
And also if there's any

00:29:24.172 --> 00:29:25.573
collection of personal data,

00:29:25.633 --> 00:29:26.473
things like that.

00:29:26.753 --> 00:29:28.174
So that's a really great place to go.

00:29:28.654 --> 00:29:29.516
There's also something

00:29:29.536 --> 00:29:31.176
called the Student Privacy Pledge.

00:29:31.896 --> 00:29:32.497
And these are,

00:29:32.636 --> 00:29:34.558
if you just Google Student Privacy Pledge,

00:29:34.898 --> 00:29:36.240
these are organizations

00:29:36.279 --> 00:29:37.359
that have pledged that

00:29:37.380 --> 00:29:38.621
they're not going to

00:29:38.721 --> 00:29:40.402
collect student data.

00:29:40.842 --> 00:29:42.522
And the big ones are on there, you know,

00:29:42.623 --> 00:29:44.104
Apple, Microsoft, Google,

00:29:44.163 --> 00:29:45.105
things like that.

00:29:45.664 --> 00:29:46.826
Now, it's not, of course,

00:29:46.945 --> 00:29:48.007
that's not a legal thing.

00:29:48.752 --> 00:29:50.865
legally bound promise, but

00:29:51.673 --> 00:29:53.813
at least it's a pretty good indicator.

00:29:53.913 --> 00:29:55.054
And I guess they probably

00:29:55.074 --> 00:29:55.913
could have a lawsuit on

00:29:55.933 --> 00:29:57.314
their hands if they claim

00:29:57.354 --> 00:29:59.173
that and it turned out to not be true.

00:30:00.674 --> 00:30:02.994
So do your research the best you can.

00:30:03.335 --> 00:30:04.535
Use tools like that,

00:30:04.734 --> 00:30:06.455
like Common Sense Media and

00:30:06.476 --> 00:30:07.855
the Privacy Pledge.

00:30:08.895 --> 00:30:09.915
Don't be afraid to ask your

00:30:10.016 --> 00:30:12.057
IT people or maybe your

00:30:12.076 --> 00:30:14.676
librarians to investigate it too.

00:30:15.896 --> 00:30:17.178
You just got to be careful.

00:30:17.198 --> 00:30:18.678
And of course, we got to teach our kids

00:30:19.417 --> 00:30:20.838
what it's safe and not safe

00:30:20.878 --> 00:30:23.340
to put into ai you know we

00:30:23.361 --> 00:30:24.241
do a good job teaching

00:30:24.301 --> 00:30:25.722
stranger danger online

00:30:25.942 --> 00:30:27.564
right don't tell a stranger

00:30:27.604 --> 00:30:28.744
where you live things like

00:30:28.805 --> 00:30:30.605
that but sometimes kids let

00:30:30.625 --> 00:30:31.487
their guard down with ai

00:30:31.507 --> 00:30:32.587
because they're like it's

00:30:32.627 --> 00:30:34.789
not a person so I can say

00:30:34.829 --> 00:30:36.049
whatever it doesn't matter

00:30:36.631 --> 00:30:37.531
it's like yeah but people

00:30:37.551 --> 00:30:38.332
can still get that

00:30:38.352 --> 00:30:40.534
information so on the other

00:30:40.973 --> 00:30:43.016
side of that computer screen yeah

00:30:45.555 --> 00:30:48.756
and it's for me the like at

00:30:48.776 --> 00:30:49.636
least in the classroom

00:30:49.717 --> 00:30:52.718
setting it's all the

00:30:52.877 --> 00:30:54.519
student-facing stuff right

00:30:54.878 --> 00:30:58.040
like um like a lot of these

00:30:58.080 --> 00:30:59.161
companies are like oh

00:30:59.221 --> 00:31:00.521
here's our here's our

00:31:00.582 --> 00:31:02.682
product here's our platform

00:31:03.202 --> 00:31:04.222
and now there's like the

00:31:04.343 --> 00:31:06.903
student version of that um

00:31:06.963 --> 00:31:07.924
and instructionally that

00:31:09.056 --> 00:31:09.635
That's cool.

00:31:09.896 --> 00:31:10.737
Like what,

00:31:10.916 --> 00:31:12.979
depending on what problem it's

00:31:13.159 --> 00:31:14.500
addressing or how it's

00:31:14.539 --> 00:31:16.501
moving the needle instructionally.

00:31:18.423 --> 00:31:19.144
But just like,

00:31:21.285 --> 00:31:23.426
what are we putting in the

00:31:23.467 --> 00:31:24.647
hands of our children?

00:31:25.167 --> 00:31:25.528
And,

00:31:26.028 --> 00:31:27.529
cause kind of what I'm hearing Mark is

00:31:27.569 --> 00:31:32.032
like, nothing is bulletproof in this talk,

00:31:32.354 --> 00:31:32.634
right?

00:31:32.713 --> 00:31:34.934
Like there is some sort of

00:31:34.996 --> 00:31:36.737
risk in gamble to an extent.

00:31:38.311 --> 00:31:38.992
If you're a leader,

00:31:39.053 --> 00:31:40.273
if you're an ed tech leader

00:31:40.314 --> 00:31:41.695
right now for a school district,

00:31:42.176 --> 00:31:44.219
that's a lot of pressure on

00:31:44.239 --> 00:31:47.564
your shoulders to, you know,

00:31:47.923 --> 00:31:48.984
what's the best gamble?

00:31:49.967 --> 00:31:51.028
I guess that's kind of how

00:31:51.107 --> 00:31:51.769
I'm thinking of it.

00:31:53.099 --> 00:31:53.861
Well, you know,

00:31:53.901 --> 00:31:55.321
even to take it away from AI,

00:31:55.762 --> 00:31:57.104
there was a huge data

00:31:57.124 --> 00:31:58.986
breach with PowerSchool recently.

00:31:59.226 --> 00:31:59.707
You know,

00:31:59.747 --> 00:32:02.849
millions of students' data was exposed.

00:32:02.890 --> 00:32:03.750
Now, PowerSchool,

00:32:04.070 --> 00:32:05.692
they have protections in place.

00:32:06.173 --> 00:32:07.515
I'm sure if you read their contract,

00:32:07.535 --> 00:32:08.015
they would say,

00:32:08.055 --> 00:32:09.076
we don't give out any

00:32:09.115 --> 00:32:10.337
personal data to anybody.

00:32:10.738 --> 00:32:11.318
But, you know,

00:32:11.338 --> 00:32:12.819
they got hacked or whatever.

00:32:13.840 --> 00:32:16.022
So, yeah, you're never totally safe.

00:32:17.384 --> 00:32:18.285
But I don't think we can

00:32:18.325 --> 00:32:20.507
just try to turn it all off either.

00:32:20.926 --> 00:32:21.287
You know,

00:32:21.307 --> 00:32:23.749
there's a famous case that the

00:32:23.769 --> 00:32:24.710
entire state of New York

00:32:25.526 --> 00:32:26.125
their Department of

00:32:26.185 --> 00:32:28.047
Education about a year and

00:32:28.067 --> 00:32:31.008
a half ago said, no AI for students.

00:32:31.167 --> 00:32:32.828
We're going to block everything.

00:32:33.548 --> 00:32:34.128
No AI.

00:32:34.388 --> 00:32:35.630
It's too much of a risk.

00:32:36.289 --> 00:32:37.890
And a few months later, they're like,

00:32:38.190 --> 00:32:38.711
it didn't work.

00:32:38.830 --> 00:32:39.490
We couldn't do it.

00:32:39.911 --> 00:32:40.971
So they changed their minds.

00:32:40.990 --> 00:32:41.412
And now they're like,

00:32:41.432 --> 00:32:42.011
we're going to teach

00:32:42.092 --> 00:32:43.852
responsible use instead,

00:32:44.153 --> 00:32:45.133
which I think is the smart

00:32:45.153 --> 00:32:45.992
thing to do anyway.

00:32:47.294 --> 00:32:48.294
But you can't run from it.

00:32:48.314 --> 00:32:49.173
You can't ignore it.

00:32:49.233 --> 00:32:49.653
It's here.

00:32:49.693 --> 00:32:50.795
It's not going anywhere.

00:32:51.454 --> 00:32:53.436
you know, our kids are using it already.

00:32:53.916 --> 00:32:55.397
They're going to use it in college,

00:32:55.538 --> 00:32:57.039
in the workforce, in the military,

00:32:57.059 --> 00:32:58.401
whatever, whatever they're going to do,

00:32:58.461 --> 00:32:59.781
it's going to be a part of their lives.

00:33:00.041 --> 00:33:01.623
So we can't,

00:33:01.923 --> 00:33:04.566
we can't let the threats scare

00:33:04.605 --> 00:33:05.266
us too much.

00:33:05.625 --> 00:33:07.587
We have to use it responsibly.

00:33:08.409 --> 00:33:08.528
We,

00:33:08.709 --> 00:33:10.250
a term we like to use here is cautious

00:33:10.309 --> 00:33:11.611
embrace of AI.

00:33:11.871 --> 00:33:15.453
So we have to cautiously embrace it.

00:33:16.494 --> 00:33:17.236
Yeah.

00:33:17.276 --> 00:33:17.695
I love that.

00:33:17.976 --> 00:33:18.415
I love that.

00:33:18.936 --> 00:33:20.198
I, and kind of like what you,

00:33:21.080 --> 00:33:22.082
touched on a bit,

00:33:22.162 --> 00:33:23.803
which I think is a good segue for,

00:33:24.403 --> 00:33:27.924
or about to talk about, um, is this,

00:33:28.545 --> 00:33:29.685
this thing of like the

00:33:29.746 --> 00:33:32.428
skills that I guess our,

00:33:32.548 --> 00:33:34.008
our students need, right?

00:33:34.048 --> 00:33:36.630
Like these, these skills that,

00:33:37.009 --> 00:33:38.391
that are really future ready.

00:33:39.271 --> 00:33:42.633
Um, how important is that?

00:33:43.114 --> 00:33:45.075
And also what are these

00:33:45.095 --> 00:33:46.496
skills that are going to be

00:33:46.516 --> 00:33:50.317
needed over the next decade or decades?

00:33:51.650 --> 00:33:53.432
So I think when educators

00:33:53.471 --> 00:33:55.733
hear AI is not going anywhere,

00:33:55.773 --> 00:33:56.654
it's a huge deal,

00:33:56.714 --> 00:33:57.435
everybody's going to be

00:33:57.476 --> 00:33:58.977
using it on the job, they think,

00:33:59.657 --> 00:34:00.238
is it all we're going to

00:34:00.258 --> 00:34:03.682
teach is how to use AI, how to talk to AI,

00:34:03.821 --> 00:34:04.583
tech skills?

00:34:05.143 --> 00:34:06.144
But that's not true.

00:34:07.685 --> 00:34:09.246
What I like to cite is the

00:34:09.266 --> 00:34:10.648
World Economic Forum puts

00:34:10.728 --> 00:34:12.409
out this future of jobs report.

00:34:13.150 --> 00:34:14.532
They just put it out in January.

00:34:15.443 --> 00:34:17.445
and they survey all the big

00:34:17.485 --> 00:34:19.226
employers around the world.

00:34:19.467 --> 00:34:20.047
And they say,

00:34:20.507 --> 00:34:22.349
what skills are you looking

00:34:22.389 --> 00:34:24.251
for when you hire somebody

00:34:24.612 --> 00:34:25.693
in twenty twenty five?

00:34:26.572 --> 00:34:28.014
And the top ten list here

00:34:29.021 --> 00:34:30.242
I'll just read them to you quickly.

00:34:31.402 --> 00:34:32.182
But what's interesting is

00:34:32.344 --> 00:34:33.403
only one of them is about

00:34:33.443 --> 00:34:34.985
technology out of the top

00:34:35.005 --> 00:34:36.224
ten skills they're looking for.

00:34:36.945 --> 00:34:38.365
So while I read this,

00:34:38.405 --> 00:34:39.186
I want you guys to I'm

00:34:39.226 --> 00:34:39.887
putting on the spot here.

00:34:39.907 --> 00:34:40.567
I want you to think about

00:34:40.626 --> 00:34:41.728
why you think that is.

00:34:41.748 --> 00:34:45.429
OK, if AI is such a big deal, it's so big,

00:34:45.469 --> 00:34:46.349
it's going to get bigger.

00:34:46.510 --> 00:34:48.811
Why are people not that

00:34:48.851 --> 00:34:50.112
concerned with it in terms

00:34:50.152 --> 00:34:51.092
of what they're hiring for?

00:34:51.112 --> 00:34:53.413
OK, so the number one skill,

00:34:53.512 --> 00:34:54.414
analytical thinking.

00:34:55.429 --> 00:34:57.471
Number two, resilience, flexibility,

00:34:57.510 --> 00:34:58.150
and agility.

00:34:58.891 --> 00:34:59.331
Number three,

00:34:59.371 --> 00:35:01.333
leadership and social influence.

00:35:02.072 --> 00:35:03.494
Number four, creative thinking.

00:35:04.393 --> 00:35:04.875
Number five,

00:35:04.934 --> 00:35:06.534
motivation and self-awareness.

00:35:07.195 --> 00:35:09.137
Number six is technological literacy.

00:35:09.737 --> 00:35:10.536
That's the tech one.

00:35:11.398 --> 00:35:11.958
Number seven,

00:35:12.097 --> 00:35:13.619
empathy and active listening.

00:35:14.672 --> 00:35:15.132
Number eight,

00:35:15.152 --> 00:35:17.235
curiosity and lifelong learning.

00:35:17.996 --> 00:35:19.617
Number nine, talent management,

00:35:19.677 --> 00:35:21.018
which is basically a fancy

00:35:21.059 --> 00:35:22.239
word for like HR skills,

00:35:22.280 --> 00:35:23.541
being able to manage other people.

00:35:24.282 --> 00:35:26.003
And number ten is service

00:35:26.164 --> 00:35:28.025
orientation and customer service.

00:35:29.106 --> 00:35:30.847
So out of the top ten skills

00:35:30.887 --> 00:35:32.909
that people were looking

00:35:32.949 --> 00:35:37.333
for to hire right now,

00:35:37.353 --> 00:35:38.956
only one of them is about technology.

00:35:38.996 --> 00:35:39.896
Why do you guys think that is?

00:35:44.266 --> 00:35:45.226
You want to go first, Sophie?

00:35:45.427 --> 00:35:46.168
Yes, I do.

00:35:46.608 --> 00:35:47.309
I would like to think that

00:35:47.369 --> 00:35:50.471
it's more about all those

00:35:50.490 --> 00:35:51.311
skills are how you're going

00:35:51.331 --> 00:35:52.612
to use the technology.

00:35:53.052 --> 00:35:54.914
Your creativity,

00:35:54.954 --> 00:35:56.556
your analytical thinking is

00:35:56.576 --> 00:35:57.757
like how you're going to use it.

00:35:57.777 --> 00:35:58.757
And it's not just about that.

00:35:58.797 --> 00:35:59.978
It's about interacting with

00:35:59.998 --> 00:36:00.940
your peers as well.

00:36:00.980 --> 00:36:01.780
So your colleagues,

00:36:01.800 --> 00:36:03.742
your managers and things.

00:36:03.782 --> 00:36:09.407
And so I've been in jobs

00:36:09.427 --> 00:36:10.148
where they're like,

00:36:10.347 --> 00:36:10.967
you don't have to know

00:36:11.028 --> 00:36:12.630
anything about what

00:36:13.686 --> 00:36:16.288
you're selling,

00:36:16.327 --> 00:36:17.228
but you have to be willing

00:36:17.248 --> 00:36:18.228
to learn and you have to be

00:36:18.248 --> 00:36:19.949
a good person type of thing.

00:36:20.030 --> 00:36:21.090
So it's like, it's not,

00:36:21.210 --> 00:36:24.233
it's all of these people skills.

00:36:24.313 --> 00:36:25.594
Analytical thinking was one

00:36:25.614 --> 00:36:26.534
of the first ones that you said.

00:36:26.554 --> 00:36:27.375
And I was like, yes,

00:36:27.414 --> 00:36:28.456
we don't have that critical

00:36:28.476 --> 00:36:29.155
thinking that problem

00:36:29.175 --> 00:36:30.617
solving skills at something

00:36:30.657 --> 00:36:31.777
that we're math teachers

00:36:31.797 --> 00:36:33.759
are always trying to teach,

00:36:33.798 --> 00:36:35.940
but that's also how you

00:36:35.960 --> 00:36:36.840
need to think when you're

00:36:36.860 --> 00:36:38.302
interacting with AI,

00:36:38.461 --> 00:36:39.422
because if you don't

00:36:39.463 --> 00:36:40.523
understand why it keeps

00:36:40.543 --> 00:36:42.485
giving you not what you're looking for,

00:36:42.963 --> 00:36:45.125
then you gotta learn from your mistakes.

00:36:45.144 --> 00:36:46.126
You gotta move on from that.

00:36:46.826 --> 00:36:48.166
And just using the

00:36:48.206 --> 00:36:50.047
technology that can be taught,

00:36:50.108 --> 00:36:51.528
like how to use something

00:36:51.568 --> 00:36:52.369
that can be taught.

00:36:52.730 --> 00:36:53.809
But there are other skills

00:36:53.849 --> 00:36:56.831
that are the soft skills

00:36:56.851 --> 00:36:58.353
that you're gonna use more every day.

00:37:01.257 --> 00:37:03.277
that's great I and I guess

00:37:03.358 --> 00:37:04.780
my answer is like I'm

00:37:04.840 --> 00:37:06.780
removing the technology out

00:37:06.800 --> 00:37:07.521
of the equation all

00:37:07.561 --> 00:37:08.922
together with my answer

00:37:09.543 --> 00:37:11.844
because I think my answer

00:37:11.864 --> 00:37:13.806
is more grounded about

00:37:14.027 --> 00:37:17.188
knowledge so the more we go

00:37:17.228 --> 00:37:20.532
along as humans the more we

00:37:20.592 --> 00:37:22.574
learn how stuff works right

00:37:23.481 --> 00:37:26.423
on a social level, with science,

00:37:26.744 --> 00:37:28.505
with just all of it, right?

00:37:28.945 --> 00:37:32.469
And so that kind of unpacked

00:37:33.630 --> 00:37:35.190
the nuance and the layers

00:37:35.210 --> 00:37:39.614
that exist vertical and horizontally.

00:37:39.815 --> 00:37:44.157
And so as an example, you may many,

00:37:44.197 --> 00:37:46.780
many years ago be like, oh, that worker,

00:37:48.141 --> 00:37:49.242
they never contribute,

00:37:49.541 --> 00:37:52.204
or it takes them a while to get going.

00:37:54.039 --> 00:37:55.798
But now that might be a person of like,

00:37:56.019 --> 00:37:56.460
you know what,

00:37:56.639 --> 00:37:57.440
that's a person that's

00:37:57.480 --> 00:37:59.280
being really thoughtful or

00:37:59.340 --> 00:38:01.320
maybe they're more of an introvert,

00:38:01.380 --> 00:38:03.360
but they do have something to say.

00:38:03.842 --> 00:38:05.121
We just need to give them

00:38:05.141 --> 00:38:07.581
the tools and the means to do so.

00:38:08.583 --> 00:38:09.623
So unpacking and

00:38:09.762 --> 00:38:13.143
understanding more of how we are.

00:38:14.146 --> 00:38:16.469
within interpersonal communication,

00:38:17.108 --> 00:38:19.090
how we are in terms of how

00:38:19.271 --> 00:38:20.931
business and various

00:38:21.052 --> 00:38:22.492
organizations and school

00:38:22.532 --> 00:38:25.235
structures are built out

00:38:25.494 --> 00:38:27.597
and how they all work together.

00:38:28.336 --> 00:38:29.257
We're learning more about

00:38:29.378 --> 00:38:30.318
all of this stuff.

00:38:30.358 --> 00:38:32.460
So we do need things like

00:38:32.519 --> 00:38:33.780
creative solutions.

00:38:33.820 --> 00:38:36.262
We do need more empathy in the workplace.

00:38:36.302 --> 00:38:41.246
We do need this ability to not just...

00:38:42.405 --> 00:38:45.226
communicate x y or z but do

00:38:45.286 --> 00:38:47.128
it in a way that is

00:38:47.188 --> 00:38:49.568
effective for everybody

00:38:49.648 --> 00:38:51.809
involved right um and and

00:38:51.889 --> 00:38:53.670
so to me that's my answer

00:38:53.791 --> 00:38:55.172
is like we know more

00:38:56.434 --> 00:38:57.835
And once you lift up that

00:38:57.896 --> 00:38:59.115
rock and you see that

00:38:59.197 --> 00:39:00.376
what's underneath that rock,

00:39:02.358 --> 00:39:03.137
you're going to have to do

00:39:03.197 --> 00:39:04.778
something different and do

00:39:04.818 --> 00:39:07.079
something more as to how

00:39:07.099 --> 00:39:08.061
we're preparing our

00:39:08.121 --> 00:39:09.442
students and just all of us

00:39:09.481 --> 00:39:11.463
in general of how to live

00:39:11.503 --> 00:39:12.342
with that knowledge.

00:39:13.003 --> 00:39:14.123
Like we're not living blind

00:39:14.784 --> 00:39:16.264
or as blind as we used to.

00:39:18.097 --> 00:39:19.538
I totally agree with both of you.

00:39:19.557 --> 00:39:21.559
There's multiple interpretations here.

00:39:22.739 --> 00:39:23.780
The one other thing I would

00:39:23.840 --> 00:39:26.461
add is that AI is going to

00:39:26.521 --> 00:39:28.402
do a lot of the things that

00:39:29.003 --> 00:39:29.744
we don't like.

00:39:29.784 --> 00:39:30.764
There's a lot, as you mentioned,

00:39:30.804 --> 00:39:32.045
I think some of you said soft skills.

00:39:32.065 --> 00:39:33.626
There's a lot of things that

00:39:33.666 --> 00:39:34.545
we can focus on.

00:39:34.965 --> 00:39:37.288
What AI can't do for us is

00:39:37.327 --> 00:39:39.108
what we still need humans to do.

00:39:40.750 --> 00:39:41.690
And the question that I

00:39:41.771 --> 00:39:43.753
often ask when I put this

00:39:43.793 --> 00:39:45.936
top ten list up with teachers is,

00:39:46.797 --> 00:39:47.619
are you teaching these

00:39:47.659 --> 00:39:49.722
skills now in your classroom?

00:39:50.804 --> 00:39:53.427
And if not, how would you teach them?

00:39:54.418 --> 00:39:55.659
And the other part of that is,

00:39:55.739 --> 00:39:56.539
are there things that you

00:39:56.559 --> 00:39:57.360
have to teach now that

00:39:57.380 --> 00:39:58.260
maybe aren't relevant

00:39:58.340 --> 00:40:00.163
anymore that you could make

00:40:00.643 --> 00:40:02.003
space for these things?

00:40:02.563 --> 00:40:05.666
So I'm curious about your own experiences.

00:40:05.706 --> 00:40:06.106
If you think,

00:40:06.347 --> 00:40:06.987
I know you don't have the

00:40:07.027 --> 00:40:07.768
list in front of you.

00:40:07.809 --> 00:40:08.768
I can put it in the chat for

00:40:08.829 --> 00:40:09.489
you guys to see.

00:40:09.869 --> 00:40:13.253
But are you teaching these things?

00:40:13.432 --> 00:40:14.574
And do you think they're being taught?

00:40:17.635 --> 00:40:19.637
So I just did a professional

00:40:19.657 --> 00:40:22.260
learning session this week on...

00:40:24.795 --> 00:40:26.958
We touched most of the things on here,

00:40:27.818 --> 00:40:28.900
and it was grounded on the

00:40:28.940 --> 00:40:31.403
topic of design thinking, right?

00:40:31.423 --> 00:40:34.347
So getting students to solve

00:40:34.407 --> 00:40:35.789
real-world issues by

00:40:36.048 --> 00:40:37.670
empathizing with the end

00:40:37.811 --> 00:40:40.655
user or with the stakeholders.

00:40:41.797 --> 00:40:43.719
how do we redefine what that

00:40:43.760 --> 00:40:46.242
problem is the ideation

00:40:46.282 --> 00:40:47.744
prototype testing out in

00:40:47.764 --> 00:40:50.586
the community boom uh I

00:40:50.706 --> 00:40:51.887
used that a lot in the

00:40:51.927 --> 00:40:52.869
classroom when I was in the

00:40:53.088 --> 00:40:53.650
in the high school

00:40:53.670 --> 00:40:56.152
classroom but I will say

00:40:56.211 --> 00:40:59.195
that I I don't believe that

00:40:59.235 --> 00:41:00.536
these things are being

00:41:00.617 --> 00:41:03.380
taught consistently and

00:41:03.420 --> 00:41:05.402
purposefully across like

00:41:06.487 --> 00:41:08.748
all of it um yeah because

00:41:08.768 --> 00:41:11.568
like at my school I was I

00:41:11.590 --> 00:41:12.929
was the only oddball that

00:41:12.969 --> 00:41:14.650
was using this thing that

00:41:14.809 --> 00:41:16.771
people were like ew no that

00:41:16.811 --> 00:41:19.811
sounds like work um it was

00:41:19.871 --> 00:41:21.192
work but it was fun work

00:41:21.992 --> 00:41:23.233
and you know there's all

00:41:23.253 --> 00:41:24.393
these different reasons why

00:41:24.672 --> 00:41:27.134
I why I taught with it um

00:41:27.173 --> 00:41:29.454
that I won't mention now um

00:41:29.514 --> 00:41:30.494
but that's kind of like my

00:41:30.875 --> 00:41:32.516
my answer is like is is

00:41:32.536 --> 00:41:33.635
this work being done

00:41:35.427 --> 00:41:36.427
maybe to an extent.

00:41:37.128 --> 00:41:38.128
Um, but I don't know if,

00:41:38.228 --> 00:41:41.648
if Sophie has a different take on that.

00:41:41.929 --> 00:41:43.688
Um, I would agree with what you said,

00:41:44.670 --> 00:41:45.110
Steve.

00:41:45.210 --> 00:41:47.349
And I also, I'm looking at this list now,

00:41:47.369 --> 00:41:49.650
cause I'm a very visual, um, person.

00:41:49.670 --> 00:41:50.650
I'm looking at this list now.

00:41:50.710 --> 00:41:52.492
And a lot of this aligns

00:41:52.592 --> 00:41:56.492
with the mathematical habits of mind, um,

00:41:56.552 --> 00:42:00.313
resilience, persevering, um, and, uh,

00:42:00.393 --> 00:42:01.753
analytical thinking, um,

00:42:02.481 --> 00:42:06.543
self-awareness so you can understand,

00:42:06.603 --> 00:42:08.784
like speak why you did it,

00:42:08.844 --> 00:42:10.125
speak to why you solved the

00:42:10.144 --> 00:42:11.045
problem in such a way.

00:42:12.005 --> 00:42:12.967
So I would say that if

00:42:13.106 --> 00:42:15.268
teachers are teaching in a

00:42:15.327 --> 00:42:17.409
more student-centered way

00:42:17.449 --> 00:42:18.889
to get them to do more of

00:42:18.909 --> 00:42:20.170
the thinking rather than,

00:42:20.590 --> 00:42:21.851
and this is for every classroom,

00:42:22.092 --> 00:42:23.733
don't just teach them, do this, this,

00:42:23.813 --> 00:42:25.594
this, this, this is the process,

00:42:26.434 --> 00:42:28.054
do this again and again and again,

00:42:28.114 --> 00:42:29.335
and you will always have success.

00:42:29.376 --> 00:42:31.257
But teaching the why behind it,

00:42:31.721 --> 00:42:34.262
is going to move into more

00:42:34.302 --> 00:42:38.423
of these curiosity and

00:42:39.864 --> 00:42:41.905
creative thinking so that

00:42:41.945 --> 00:42:43.106
they can do that themselves.

00:42:43.266 --> 00:42:44.427
And that is something that

00:42:45.088 --> 00:42:46.108
the traditional way of

00:42:46.168 --> 00:42:50.251
teaching is going out as

00:42:50.371 --> 00:42:53.032
more and more teachers retire, hopefully,

00:42:54.253 --> 00:42:55.713
and that we are moving our

00:42:55.753 --> 00:42:56.693
classrooms to be more of a

00:42:56.753 --> 00:42:57.594
student-centered,

00:42:58.394 --> 00:43:00.576
whether it's problem-based learning or

00:43:01.327 --> 00:43:02.628
group work and collaboration,

00:43:04.309 --> 00:43:05.391
however it is that you do it,

00:43:05.431 --> 00:43:07.731
but where the teacher is

00:43:07.791 --> 00:43:08.952
not the only one exhausted

00:43:08.992 --> 00:43:09.693
at the end of the day.

00:43:11.273 --> 00:43:13.255
That is the goal.

00:43:13.275 --> 00:43:14.675
That's the goal for sure.

00:43:15.556 --> 00:43:17.458
And if those classrooms are

00:43:17.498 --> 00:43:18.759
doing more of those things

00:43:18.818 --> 00:43:19.518
and they are going to be

00:43:19.539 --> 00:43:20.260
teaching more of this,

00:43:20.300 --> 00:43:22.802
maybe not specifically,

00:43:22.961 --> 00:43:25.722
but through those projects

00:43:25.742 --> 00:43:27.143
and those activities that you do,

00:43:27.483 --> 00:43:28.204
you'll be doing that.

00:43:32.864 --> 00:43:33.324
Yeah.

00:43:33.403 --> 00:43:34.545
Yeah.

00:43:34.565 --> 00:43:34.644
Well,

00:43:34.704 --> 00:43:36.125
and then because Sophie made the

00:43:36.164 --> 00:43:37.365
comment of like, you know,

00:43:37.405 --> 00:43:38.885
it shouldn't be the teacher being the one,

00:43:38.925 --> 00:43:40.206
the only one that's tired.

00:43:41.067 --> 00:43:42.628
I would also say like the teacher,

00:43:42.648 --> 00:43:44.289
because teachers love their

00:43:44.329 --> 00:43:45.528
content for the most part.

00:43:45.608 --> 00:43:45.809
Right.

00:43:45.869 --> 00:43:47.650
Like also I would say like

00:43:48.250 --> 00:43:49.670
that it shouldn't be just

00:43:49.690 --> 00:43:50.670
the teacher that's having

00:43:50.771 --> 00:43:52.092
fun in that classroom.

00:43:52.391 --> 00:43:53.311
Right.

00:43:54.132 --> 00:43:54.992
They shouldn't be the only

00:43:55.213 --> 00:43:57.333
ones that are curious

00:43:57.793 --> 00:43:58.873
within their classrooms.

00:43:59.375 --> 00:44:01.936
And so that's the other piece too,

00:44:02.016 --> 00:44:02.496
is like,

00:44:03.518 --> 00:44:06.362
I've heard over the years, we're like, oh,

00:44:06.402 --> 00:44:08.724
my kids are just so disengaged.

00:44:08.744 --> 00:44:10.224
I'm like, oh, so what's going on?

00:44:11.186 --> 00:44:12.367
They just, you know,

00:44:13.447 --> 00:44:14.108
they're not asking

00:44:14.148 --> 00:44:15.971
questions while I'm lecturing at them.

00:44:15.990 --> 00:44:18.632
I'm like, yeah.

00:44:19.313 --> 00:44:20.494
You've lost it.

00:44:20.514 --> 00:44:21.516
You answered your own question.

00:44:22.137 --> 00:44:22.396
Yeah.

00:44:22.416 --> 00:44:23.538
Why are they disengaged?

00:44:24.402 --> 00:44:25.463
Why are they disengaged?

00:44:25.523 --> 00:44:25.744
Yeah.

00:44:26.945 --> 00:44:27.144
Mark,

00:44:27.625 --> 00:44:30.166
just one quick question before we hit

00:44:30.387 --> 00:44:33.809
the tail end of this episode.

00:44:34.449 --> 00:44:36.092
You did mention this a

00:44:36.132 --> 00:44:37.632
little bit in several

00:44:37.652 --> 00:44:38.572
different spots here,

00:44:38.773 --> 00:44:41.856
but teachers' roles.

00:44:42.817 --> 00:44:44.217
What's the teacher role with all this?

00:44:44.458 --> 00:44:45.898
And then that concern,

00:44:45.958 --> 00:44:47.300
because I heard this last

00:44:47.340 --> 00:44:48.780
weekend at a conference.

00:44:48.860 --> 00:44:49.942
I heard an educator be like,

00:44:50.628 --> 00:44:51.849
You know AI is going to take

00:44:52.110 --> 00:44:54.532
over all of our jobs as teachers.

00:44:56.572 --> 00:44:58.454
And so just curious,

00:44:58.554 --> 00:44:59.916
maybe get a little bit

00:44:59.976 --> 00:45:03.677
deeper into why that's not true.

00:45:03.717 --> 00:45:06.019
It sounds like from your opinion,

00:45:06.179 --> 00:45:09.262
from your perspective, that it's not.

00:45:09.322 --> 00:45:09.661
Yeah.

00:45:10.583 --> 00:45:11.443
And not just my opinion,

00:45:11.483 --> 00:45:13.545
but the data seems to show that as well.

00:45:13.804 --> 00:45:14.686
Teachers are worried about

00:45:14.726 --> 00:45:15.467
losing their jobs.

00:45:16.474 --> 00:45:18.135
and just like everybody I think is,

00:45:19.195 --> 00:45:19.855
but teachers really

00:45:19.875 --> 00:45:21.335
shouldn't be worried about it.

00:45:21.956 --> 00:45:23.115
The data shows that there's

00:45:23.175 --> 00:45:23.836
probably actually going to

00:45:23.856 --> 00:45:25.976
be growth and the need for

00:45:26.016 --> 00:45:27.717
teachers in the coming years.

00:45:28.577 --> 00:45:29.378
There's a really interesting

00:45:29.438 --> 00:45:32.420
website called WillRobotsTakeMyJob.com.

00:45:32.820 --> 00:45:33.840
It's kind of a silly name,

00:45:34.340 --> 00:45:35.880
but it's a cool site.

00:45:36.440 --> 00:45:37.280
You can go there and you can

00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:38.342
search your job

00:45:39.284 --> 00:45:41.065
and it'll tell you what the

00:45:41.184 --> 00:45:42.166
odds are of you being

00:45:42.206 --> 00:45:43.226
replaced by a robot.

00:45:44.186 --> 00:45:45.487
Teaching is very low and

00:45:45.788 --> 00:45:46.809
it's actually says that

00:45:46.909 --> 00:45:49.411
it's a growth field.

00:45:49.871 --> 00:45:51.572
And it's funny when you go to that website,

00:45:52.172 --> 00:45:53.293
it shows you like the most

00:45:53.572 --> 00:45:55.795
searched jobs and teaching

00:45:55.835 --> 00:45:57.115
is one of them.

00:45:57.255 --> 00:45:58.195
People are worried about it,

00:45:58.215 --> 00:45:59.277
but they really shouldn't be.

00:46:00.358 --> 00:46:01.478
The numbers show that

00:46:01.538 --> 00:46:02.338
there's probably going to

00:46:02.378 --> 00:46:03.139
be growth there.

00:46:03.739 --> 00:46:06.280
And I always think, we need more teachers,

00:46:07.641 --> 00:46:08.641
I don't know about in your states,

00:46:08.681 --> 00:46:09.282
but in Missouri,

00:46:09.443 --> 00:46:10.503
we have a teacher shortage.

00:46:11.563 --> 00:46:12.943
And I think about if you're

00:46:12.963 --> 00:46:14.244
in college right now and you're like,

00:46:14.384 --> 00:46:15.384
what kind of career should

00:46:15.403 --> 00:46:16.664
I go into where I'm not

00:46:16.684 --> 00:46:18.105
going to lose my job to a robot?

00:46:18.125 --> 00:46:21.125
I'm not going to be working a few years.

00:46:21.164 --> 00:46:22.045
Sell them on teaching.

00:46:22.806 --> 00:46:24.025
And there's so many things

00:46:24.065 --> 00:46:26.547
like if you want human connection,

00:46:26.927 --> 00:46:27.527
you want to make a

00:46:27.567 --> 00:46:28.686
difference in the world,

00:46:29.306 --> 00:46:31.108
and you want a job where

00:46:31.128 --> 00:46:33.887
you're not going to be replaced by AI,

00:46:34.588 --> 00:46:35.289
look to teaching.

00:46:36.528 --> 00:46:37.409
um it really should be a

00:46:37.449 --> 00:46:38.891
selling point because

00:46:39.030 --> 00:46:39.972
humans can do so many

00:46:40.012 --> 00:46:41.672
things that ai can't do ai

00:46:41.693 --> 00:46:43.815
is great there's so much it

00:46:43.835 --> 00:46:45.996
can do for education but

00:46:46.036 --> 00:46:46.956
there's so many things that

00:46:47.097 --> 00:46:48.737
that we still need human

00:46:48.777 --> 00:46:50.179
beings we need that human

00:46:50.259 --> 00:46:51.559
interaction with our kids

00:46:51.619 --> 00:46:54.202
in the classroom to do um

00:46:54.222 --> 00:46:55.762
there have been a few cases where

00:46:56.744 --> 00:46:57.804
small schools private

00:46:57.844 --> 00:46:59.264
schools have said we're

00:46:59.284 --> 00:47:00.005
going to get rid of our

00:47:00.025 --> 00:47:00.905
teachers and we're going to

00:47:01.085 --> 00:47:03.485
use ai instead and it

00:47:03.525 --> 00:47:05.726
hasn't worked because maybe

00:47:06.047 --> 00:47:08.027
kids are learning content

00:47:08.706 --> 00:47:10.027
but they don't have those

00:47:10.228 --> 00:47:11.427
other kinds of skills those

00:47:11.467 --> 00:47:12.527
other kind of benefits that

00:47:12.547 --> 00:47:13.909
they get from having an

00:47:14.009 --> 00:47:16.789
actual human teacher so if

00:47:16.809 --> 00:47:18.150
you're a teacher you

00:47:18.170 --> 00:47:18.829
shouldn't worry about

00:47:18.869 --> 00:47:19.989
losing your job there's

00:47:20.070 --> 00:47:22.231
plenty of there's plenty of jobs for us

00:47:25.483 --> 00:47:26.425
And you made the important

00:47:26.465 --> 00:47:28.407
point of there's so many

00:47:28.467 --> 00:47:32.969
things that we could do that AI cannot.

00:47:33.891 --> 00:47:35.733
To what degree will that always be true?

00:47:35.793 --> 00:47:37.054
And I'm kind of just pushing

00:47:37.094 --> 00:47:39.375
back just because this kind

00:47:39.414 --> 00:47:40.436
of counter arguments that

00:47:40.615 --> 00:47:42.297
I've heard is like, well,

00:47:42.617 --> 00:47:43.838
the AI has control.

00:47:44.675 --> 00:47:46.637
grown has gotten more

00:47:46.898 --> 00:47:48.460
sophisticated over the last

00:47:48.500 --> 00:47:50.583
few years right um at least

00:47:50.603 --> 00:47:52.284
to our measure will it

00:47:52.344 --> 00:47:53.686
continue to grow in that

00:47:53.726 --> 00:47:55.708
way to where this

00:47:55.768 --> 00:47:57.471
conversation changes a little bit

00:47:59.012 --> 00:48:00.815
I think it could to a degree,

00:48:01.355 --> 00:48:04.358
but it's never going to be

00:48:04.518 --> 00:48:05.818
able to do everything that

00:48:05.918 --> 00:48:06.880
a human can do.

00:48:07.481 --> 00:48:09.342
And I'm trying to pull up

00:48:09.382 --> 00:48:10.623
something that I really – okay,

00:48:10.643 --> 00:48:11.063
here it is.

00:48:11.943 --> 00:48:13.306
There's this guy named Doan

00:48:13.346 --> 00:48:16.007
Winkle on LinkedIn that I follow.

00:48:16.748 --> 00:48:18.690
He's a big advocate for AI and teaching.

00:48:19.650 --> 00:48:21.311
um and I got to got to zoom

00:48:21.331 --> 00:48:22.592
with him once too but he

00:48:22.632 --> 00:48:23.833
had this great post a

00:48:23.853 --> 00:48:25.135
couple weeks ago that I

00:48:25.155 --> 00:48:25.894
just want to read to you he

00:48:25.914 --> 00:48:27.396
said ai won't replace great

00:48:27.436 --> 00:48:29.077
teachers it will replace

00:48:29.137 --> 00:48:31.378
those who resist change ai

00:48:31.398 --> 00:48:33.119
shares info but you shape

00:48:33.159 --> 00:48:34.940
character ai can analyze

00:48:34.981 --> 00:48:37.663
data but you build trust ai

00:48:37.682 --> 00:48:39.083
assists learning but you

00:48:39.123 --> 00:48:40.405
guide growth ai gives

00:48:40.485 --> 00:48:42.666
answers you spark curiosity

00:48:42.925 --> 00:48:44.786
ai tracks progress but you

00:48:44.847 --> 00:48:46.628
celebrate wins um

00:48:47.509 --> 00:48:48.530
So I really love that.

00:48:48.710 --> 00:48:50.192
Because I feel like no

00:48:50.211 --> 00:48:52.213
matter how good our technology gets,

00:48:52.653 --> 00:48:53.655
it's never going to be able

00:48:53.695 --> 00:48:55.036
to do those things at least

00:48:55.097 --> 00:48:57.518
not feel authentic, right?

00:48:57.938 --> 00:48:59.900
Like, so that's,

00:49:00.001 --> 00:49:00.862
that's why we're going to

00:49:00.902 --> 00:49:02.302
need human teachers,

00:49:02.744 --> 00:49:04.646
no matter how good the technology gets,

00:49:05.106 --> 00:49:05.887
we're still going to need

00:49:05.947 --> 00:49:07.789
humans to guide humans.

00:49:09.126 --> 00:49:10.347
Wow.

00:49:10.768 --> 00:49:12.751
Mark, I know you cited someone else,

00:49:12.971 --> 00:49:15.092
but that was a really good answer.

00:49:15.233 --> 00:49:16.175
Powerful, yes.

00:49:16.235 --> 00:49:18.157
Yeah, I don't get credit for those words,

00:49:18.197 --> 00:49:19.538
but I feel like that

00:49:19.617 --> 00:49:25.844
summarizes best why we need teachers.

00:49:25.985 --> 00:49:26.626
Amazing.

00:49:27.164 --> 00:49:27.445
Yeah.

00:49:28.266 --> 00:49:28.646
Awesome.

00:49:28.806 --> 00:49:29.027
Well,

00:49:29.367 --> 00:49:31.331
we're getting towards the end of this

00:49:31.510 --> 00:49:32.311
episode.

00:49:32.853 --> 00:49:33.793
And Mark,

00:49:33.853 --> 00:49:35.876
I know you've listened to the show before,

00:49:35.976 --> 00:49:37.278
so I'm sure you're ready.

00:49:38.079 --> 00:49:39.121
It could be something that

00:49:39.181 --> 00:49:41.123
we kind of touched on or it

00:49:41.143 --> 00:49:42.005
can be something different.

00:49:43.661 --> 00:49:44.762
But really curious,

00:49:45.182 --> 00:49:47.425
and we're all waiting on, you know,

00:49:48.226 --> 00:49:49.927
what is top of mind for you right now?

00:49:50.007 --> 00:49:51.068
What is under the hat?

00:49:51.588 --> 00:49:52.190
What is something in

00:49:52.250 --> 00:49:53.271
education that we need to

00:49:53.291 --> 00:49:54.652
be talking more about?

00:49:55.052 --> 00:49:56.733
Or perhaps what is something

00:49:56.753 --> 00:49:58.476
that you feel like really

00:49:58.516 --> 00:49:59.556
like you need to let out?

00:50:00.498 --> 00:50:01.978
Really curious as to hear

00:50:02.018 --> 00:50:02.920
what's under the hat for you.

00:50:04.260 --> 00:50:05.061
Well, I'm disappointed.

00:50:05.201 --> 00:50:05.762
I thought we were going to

00:50:05.782 --> 00:50:06.541
talk about hats.

00:50:06.621 --> 00:50:08.143
I thought this podcast was about hats,

00:50:08.182 --> 00:50:08.882
and we didn't get to talk

00:50:08.902 --> 00:50:09.784
about hats today.

00:50:09.884 --> 00:50:11.545
But it's funny.

00:50:11.565 --> 00:50:12.445
I had a bunch of hats on my

00:50:12.485 --> 00:50:13.545
desk yesterday because I

00:50:13.585 --> 00:50:15.086
did this little demo about

00:50:15.106 --> 00:50:16.527
how I wear a lot of hats at work,

00:50:16.606 --> 00:50:17.987
and I took them home.

00:50:21.670 --> 00:50:23.170
Top of mind in education,

00:50:23.530 --> 00:50:25.052
it kind of ties into AI,

00:50:25.492 --> 00:50:26.952
but I just wonder about...

00:50:28.512 --> 00:50:29.952
they say kids more and more

00:50:30.012 --> 00:50:31.552
don't see the relevance of

00:50:31.592 --> 00:50:32.873
what they're learning at school.

00:50:34.215 --> 00:50:36.315
And I know in my state,

00:50:36.635 --> 00:50:37.815
there's a big debate right

00:50:37.856 --> 00:50:39.277
now about cursive writing

00:50:39.717 --> 00:50:40.336
and whether we should

00:50:40.376 --> 00:50:41.657
mandate that kids have to

00:50:41.697 --> 00:50:43.557
learn cursive writing in school or not.

00:50:44.398 --> 00:50:44.639
And

00:50:45.597 --> 00:50:46.818
I'm not saying it's bad to

00:50:46.878 --> 00:50:48.181
learn cursive writing,

00:50:48.840 --> 00:50:50.202
but when I ask people,

00:50:50.402 --> 00:50:53.385
why do you think it's so important?

00:50:53.766 --> 00:50:54.586
Their answers are, well,

00:50:54.606 --> 00:50:55.547
because I had to learn it

00:50:56.708 --> 00:50:57.329
because they're going to

00:50:57.369 --> 00:50:59.271
have to write checks.

00:50:59.472 --> 00:50:59.692
I'm like,

00:50:59.731 --> 00:51:00.833
when's the last time you wrote a check?

00:51:00.853 --> 00:51:02.594
They're going to have to

00:51:02.655 --> 00:51:04.996
sign things like that.

00:51:05.016 --> 00:51:07.699
I just think we need to

00:51:07.719 --> 00:51:09.121
think about the world we're living in.

00:51:10.048 --> 00:51:12.610
and what our kids need from it now,

00:51:13.110 --> 00:51:14.170
because it's relevant,

00:51:14.210 --> 00:51:15.731
because it's what they're going into.

00:51:16.092 --> 00:51:18.213
This idea of, well, I learned,

00:51:18.333 --> 00:51:19.253
I had to memorize the

00:51:19.293 --> 00:51:21.235
states and capitals when I was a kid.

00:51:22.315 --> 00:51:24.876
but now you can Google it, right?

00:51:24.916 --> 00:51:26.635
So why are there, you know,

00:51:26.655 --> 00:51:27.836
we talked about the skills

00:51:27.856 --> 00:51:30.197
we need to be teaching, but I think we,

00:51:30.536 --> 00:51:31.717
and by me, we, I mean,

00:51:31.818 --> 00:51:34.297
the leaders of the districts,

00:51:34.338 --> 00:51:35.438
the people who put the

00:51:35.478 --> 00:51:37.338
curriculum together, the state standards,

00:51:37.438 --> 00:51:38.199
they need to be thinking

00:51:38.219 --> 00:51:39.860
about what don't we need to

00:51:39.900 --> 00:51:40.599
teach anymore?

00:51:41.119 --> 00:51:41.960
What's outdated?

00:51:42.041 --> 00:51:42.900
What can we just,

00:51:43.867 --> 00:51:45.728
Google in two seconds and

00:51:45.748 --> 00:51:46.670
get an answer for.

00:51:48.030 --> 00:51:49.271
So this is kind of my,

00:51:49.472 --> 00:51:51.672
this is not representing my employer.

00:51:51.693 --> 00:51:53.153
This is just my personal opinion here,

00:51:53.193 --> 00:51:55.335
but we really need to look at, you know,

00:51:55.715 --> 00:51:57.097
what don't we need to teach anymore?

00:51:57.617 --> 00:51:58.597
What's not relevant?

00:51:58.918 --> 00:52:02.280
Things like that.

00:52:02.300 --> 00:52:02.480
Yeah.

00:52:02.519 --> 00:52:03.701
I always hear like what

00:52:03.760 --> 00:52:04.882
needs to be included.

00:52:06.463 --> 00:52:07.704
It's interesting of like,

00:52:08.873 --> 00:52:10.074
what shouldn't be there anymore.

00:52:11.554 --> 00:52:14.594
There's only so much time to teach.

00:52:15.315 --> 00:52:16.175
We never get done.

00:52:16.195 --> 00:52:18.036
We never address everything we want to.

00:52:18.615 --> 00:52:19.795
But there are some things where we're like,

00:52:19.815 --> 00:52:19.936
well,

00:52:19.956 --> 00:52:21.757
we just have to do this because the

00:52:21.777 --> 00:52:22.757
state says so or the

00:52:22.797 --> 00:52:24.697
district says so or whatever.

00:52:25.577 --> 00:52:27.557
You made me think back to

00:52:27.637 --> 00:52:29.257
when I was a student in

00:52:29.297 --> 00:52:30.759
high school and then when I

00:52:30.958 --> 00:52:32.619
went and became a math teacher.

00:52:32.798 --> 00:52:35.679
And in math class, I remember

00:52:38.005 --> 00:52:39.065
a teacher saying,

00:52:39.465 --> 00:52:40.226
you're not going to have a

00:52:40.266 --> 00:52:43.226
calculator in your pocket.

00:52:43.306 --> 00:52:44.527
But we do.

00:52:45.086 --> 00:52:45.746
But we do.

00:52:45.806 --> 00:52:46.967
And then I remember being

00:52:47.027 --> 00:52:48.307
like thinking that in my

00:52:48.347 --> 00:52:49.969
head to say it to my kids,

00:52:50.028 --> 00:52:51.548
my first like three years

00:52:51.949 --> 00:52:53.289
of teaching and being like,

00:52:53.309 --> 00:52:53.949
wait a second.

00:52:55.184 --> 00:52:57.626
we do have a calculator in our pocket.

00:52:57.646 --> 00:52:58.206
Great.

00:52:58.266 --> 00:53:02.248
Jokes on them.

00:53:02.288 --> 00:53:03.168
Jokes on them.

00:53:03.248 --> 00:53:04.568
I didn't have to memorize that.

00:53:04.869 --> 00:53:05.289
But yeah,

00:53:05.349 --> 00:53:06.769
so it's one of those things where

00:53:06.789 --> 00:53:07.230
it's like,

00:53:07.429 --> 00:53:10.190
what is needed now in today's world?

00:53:10.490 --> 00:53:13.012
And just to go back to the

00:53:13.253 --> 00:53:13.932
cursive writing,

00:53:14.420 --> 00:53:15.840
Our historical documents are

00:53:15.880 --> 00:53:16.681
in cursive writing.

00:53:16.701 --> 00:53:17.742
We need to know how to read them.

00:53:18.001 --> 00:53:18.902
We need to be able to.

00:53:19.862 --> 00:53:21.202
But I guess I could do that.

00:53:21.302 --> 00:53:22.423
Maybe a picture of it.

00:53:22.523 --> 00:53:23.423
It'll translate it for you.

00:53:23.443 --> 00:53:23.744
Yeah.

00:53:23.764 --> 00:53:25.164
Yeah.

00:53:25.184 --> 00:53:27.005
I'm not anti-cursive writing by any means.

00:53:27.045 --> 00:53:28.585
That's just a hot topic

00:53:28.626 --> 00:53:30.007
right now in our state is

00:53:30.027 --> 00:53:31.088
if they're going to pass a

00:53:31.128 --> 00:53:33.148
law that schools have to teach that.

00:53:33.228 --> 00:53:33.568
I'm like,

00:53:34.208 --> 00:53:36.710
of all things that kids need to

00:53:36.730 --> 00:53:37.309
know right now.

00:53:37.329 --> 00:53:40.612
Well, my state just brought it back.

00:53:42.465 --> 00:53:43.646
in the elementary grade.

00:53:43.686 --> 00:53:46.126
So Riley's going to learn cursive, I think,

00:53:46.987 --> 00:53:47.646
next year.

00:53:48.947 --> 00:53:50.027
And she's kind of excited

00:53:50.068 --> 00:53:52.108
about it because she kind of sees it.

00:53:53.009 --> 00:53:53.969
And that's cool from a

00:53:54.030 --> 00:53:55.030
curiosity standpoint.

00:53:55.050 --> 00:53:57.311
Be like, oh, yeah.

00:53:57.510 --> 00:54:00.472
I'm going to have to brush up, I think.

00:54:00.731 --> 00:54:03.092
There are a few letters that I'm like,

00:54:03.132 --> 00:54:04.552
how do you do a Q?

00:54:04.612 --> 00:54:06.094
I haven't done a Q in long.

00:54:06.173 --> 00:54:06.733
You know what I mean?

00:54:06.773 --> 00:54:07.514
It's stuff like that.

00:54:09.588 --> 00:54:10.809
Now, it's super fascinating.

00:54:11.210 --> 00:54:11.811
Mark,

00:54:12.072 --> 00:54:15.115
one thing I'm going to put it up for

00:54:15.155 --> 00:54:17.699
those that are watching and

00:54:17.719 --> 00:54:19.922
perhaps not listening.

00:54:19.943 --> 00:54:21.766
The AI toolkit.

00:54:24.969 --> 00:54:25.871
Tell us a little bit about this.

00:54:26.891 --> 00:54:29.092
Yeah, so last year,

00:54:30.273 --> 00:54:31.175
here at Missouri School

00:54:31.195 --> 00:54:32.074
Boards Association,

00:54:32.534 --> 00:54:34.376
I'm sort of the head AI guy,

00:54:34.396 --> 00:54:35.277
but we have a committee.

00:54:36.297 --> 00:54:37.398
We just saw that there was

00:54:37.438 --> 00:54:39.139
really a need for something like this.

00:54:39.179 --> 00:54:39.960
It's called a toolkit,

00:54:39.980 --> 00:54:41.221
but it's basically an e-book.

00:54:42.360 --> 00:54:43.521
It's totally free.

00:54:43.661 --> 00:54:44.902
You don't have to sign up for it.

00:54:44.943 --> 00:54:45.884
You don't have to.

00:54:46.423 --> 00:54:47.864
There's no ads or anything.

00:54:48.885 --> 00:54:49.746
Some of the things you'll see,

00:54:49.766 --> 00:54:50.766
there's Eliza that I told

00:54:50.786 --> 00:54:51.447
you about earlier.

00:54:53.467 --> 00:54:55.009
so this is just a place for

00:54:55.048 --> 00:54:56.210
us to house all of our

00:54:56.289 --> 00:54:58.090
information so the first

00:54:58.150 --> 00:54:59.211
part is really just

00:54:59.351 --> 00:55:02.012
understanding ai um for

00:55:02.032 --> 00:55:02.693
people who don't know

00:55:02.713 --> 00:55:03.954
anything about it I am not

00:55:04.014 --> 00:55:05.956
like a techie guy I I mean

00:55:05.976 --> 00:55:07.255
I like technology but I

00:55:07.476 --> 00:55:09.057
don't talk in that way you

00:55:09.077 --> 00:55:10.659
know I speak plain english

00:55:11.099 --> 00:55:12.980
the best I can so we try to

00:55:13.019 --> 00:55:14.280
make it so that people can

00:55:14.340 --> 00:55:15.842
understand these things

00:55:17.083 --> 00:55:19.164
So there's understanding AI.

00:55:19.423 --> 00:55:21.146
There's a whole section on policy,

00:55:21.545 --> 00:55:23.507
section on safety, ethics.

00:55:24.628 --> 00:55:26.309
There's videos in there.

00:55:26.369 --> 00:55:28.871
There's references, links,

00:55:28.911 --> 00:55:29.793
things like that.

00:55:29.813 --> 00:55:30.693
There's a whole section

00:55:30.733 --> 00:55:32.735
about the ways that we can

00:55:32.875 --> 00:55:34.655
use AI for good and the

00:55:34.695 --> 00:55:36.237
concerns in schools.

00:55:36.257 --> 00:55:37.778
I always try to present a

00:55:37.838 --> 00:55:38.659
balanced approach.

00:55:40.521 --> 00:55:41.382
If you want to check it out,

00:55:41.442 --> 00:55:45.844
it's just mosba.org slash AI,

00:55:46.485 --> 00:55:48.505
mosba.org slash AI.

00:55:48.965 --> 00:55:50.847
It's a totally free resource.

00:55:51.867 --> 00:55:53.168
We add to it all the time.

00:55:53.688 --> 00:55:55.170
Love to hear your thoughts on it.

00:55:55.431 --> 00:55:57.751
If there's something we haven't covered,

00:55:58.112 --> 00:55:59.532
my email address is in there.

00:55:59.632 --> 00:56:00.554
But yeah.

00:56:02.570 --> 00:56:03.190
This is so cool.

00:56:04.132 --> 00:56:05.932
I will include this in the show notes.

00:56:06.472 --> 00:56:07.233
I'll have it linked up.

00:56:07.853 --> 00:56:07.974
Yeah,

00:56:07.994 --> 00:56:09.195
I'm sure a lot of folks like I'm

00:56:09.215 --> 00:56:10.974
going to dig into this a little bit more.

00:56:11.815 --> 00:56:12.036
Mark,

00:56:12.115 --> 00:56:13.317
I know this is part of how we got

00:56:13.356 --> 00:56:16.679
connected originally online via LinkedIn.

00:56:16.778 --> 00:56:17.838
I think you had done a post

00:56:17.978 --> 00:56:19.460
on it and I was like, oh, yeah,

00:56:19.480 --> 00:56:20.260
this is fascinating.

00:56:22.362 --> 00:56:23.481
So really appreciate that

00:56:23.641 --> 00:56:24.842
and how we got connected.

00:56:27.199 --> 00:56:28.119
I have to say, you know,

00:56:28.159 --> 00:56:29.378
LinkedIn has become a great

00:56:29.418 --> 00:56:32.599
place to talk about AI and education.

00:56:32.820 --> 00:56:34.139
And I used to just think of

00:56:34.179 --> 00:56:35.039
LinkedIn as where you went

00:56:35.059 --> 00:56:35.721
when you're looking for a

00:56:35.780 --> 00:56:37.681
job or you're looking to hire somebody,

00:56:37.740 --> 00:56:39.900
but there's so much great

00:56:40.221 --> 00:56:41.922
conversation on there now.

00:56:42.001 --> 00:56:43.461
I spent a lot of time on there.

00:56:44.262 --> 00:56:45.842
I posted about AI and I

00:56:45.862 --> 00:56:46.862
would just encourage folks

00:56:46.902 --> 00:56:47.782
to take a look.

00:56:48.302 --> 00:56:49.222
Kind of depends on who you

00:56:49.242 --> 00:56:50.422
follow and what you, you know,

00:56:50.483 --> 00:56:51.543
the hashtags you click on,

00:56:51.563 --> 00:56:52.284
but there's a lot of great

00:56:52.324 --> 00:56:53.744
content on LinkedIn these days.

00:56:54.605 --> 00:56:57.045
Well, they've expanded their,

00:56:57.525 --> 00:56:58.527
maybe I'm correct on this.

00:56:59.086 --> 00:57:01.608
They've expanded like the courses, right?

00:57:02.047 --> 00:57:04.048
And the things you can learn, like,

00:57:04.528 --> 00:57:06.630
and they have a whole course build.

00:57:07.050 --> 00:57:07.869
Sophie knows a little bit

00:57:07.929 --> 00:57:10.510
more about that than I do, I believe.

00:57:11.992 --> 00:57:12.271
But yeah,

00:57:12.311 --> 00:57:13.873
like you go there for a wide

00:57:13.932 --> 00:57:15.313
range of reasons.

00:57:15.452 --> 00:57:16.313
Yeah.

00:57:16.373 --> 00:57:16.574
Yeah.

00:57:17.601 --> 00:57:19.663
very cool yeah um I I

00:57:19.702 --> 00:57:20.784
learned from others I get

00:57:20.804 --> 00:57:22.565
connected with others um

00:57:22.704 --> 00:57:24.385
people learn from each

00:57:24.445 --> 00:57:25.507
other there it's sort of

00:57:25.586 --> 00:57:26.588
like a more professional

00:57:26.648 --> 00:57:27.527
TikTok where you go on

00:57:27.568 --> 00:57:28.469
TikTok to try and learn how

00:57:28.509 --> 00:57:29.389
to do something or more

00:57:29.409 --> 00:57:30.530
professional YouTube you go

00:57:30.550 --> 00:57:31.530
to YouTube to learn how to

00:57:31.990 --> 00:57:34.192
do this um mechanical thing

00:57:34.211 --> 00:57:35.052
that you don't know how to

00:57:35.092 --> 00:57:36.614
do but you go to LinkedIn

00:57:37.014 --> 00:57:38.434
to like build your

00:57:38.474 --> 00:57:39.635
knowledge base like your

00:57:39.876 --> 00:57:42.177
your your professional um

00:57:42.197 --> 00:57:44.297
toolkit there now and it's

00:57:44.358 --> 00:57:46.780
not just about jobs and

00:57:47.199 --> 00:57:51.523
that it is an interesting place to be now.

00:57:51.643 --> 00:57:54.146
And I'm thrilled to see

00:57:54.166 --> 00:57:55.809
things that my connections

00:57:55.829 --> 00:57:56.809
are posting and to learn

00:57:56.849 --> 00:58:01.615
from them and to see common

00:58:02.076 --> 00:58:04.139
minds combined and see what

00:58:04.159 --> 00:58:05.079
they can produce there.

00:58:05.320 --> 00:58:05.760
So it's...

00:58:07.516 --> 00:58:08.358
I like it.

00:58:08.378 --> 00:58:08.818
I agree with you.

00:58:08.838 --> 00:58:11.679
Absolutely.

00:58:11.699 --> 00:58:12.619
I have to say one more thing.

00:58:12.639 --> 00:58:14.201
I know we're almost out of time,

00:58:14.240 --> 00:58:15.222
but last night I was

00:58:15.262 --> 00:58:16.242
talking to my grandma,

00:58:16.382 --> 00:58:17.003
my eighty three year old

00:58:17.023 --> 00:58:17.822
grandma on the phone.

00:58:18.302 --> 00:58:18.884
She asked what I was going

00:58:18.903 --> 00:58:19.563
to do this weekend.

00:58:19.583 --> 00:58:20.844
I said, I'm going to be on a podcast.

00:58:20.864 --> 00:58:21.965
Do you know what a podcast is?

00:58:21.985 --> 00:58:22.905
She's like, oh, yeah,

00:58:22.925 --> 00:58:23.987
I know what a podcast is.

00:58:24.487 --> 00:58:24.706
She's like,

00:58:24.746 --> 00:58:25.327
are you going to be on the

00:58:25.347 --> 00:58:26.809
Kelsey Brothers podcast?

00:58:27.648 --> 00:58:28.208
You know, Travis,

00:58:28.228 --> 00:58:29.809
Kelsey's a big deal in Missouri.

00:58:29.829 --> 00:58:30.751
And she thought I was going

00:58:30.771 --> 00:58:31.791
to be on his podcast.

00:58:31.811 --> 00:58:32.192
I was like.

00:58:32.867 --> 00:58:33.349
No.

00:58:33.989 --> 00:58:35.130
This one's about education,

00:58:35.190 --> 00:58:37.092
but I'm sure it's just as popular.

00:58:38.032 --> 00:58:40.355
It's not as cool.

00:58:40.414 --> 00:58:42.215
My grandma knows what podcasts are.

00:58:45.759 --> 00:58:48.282
I kind of hear from that

00:58:48.342 --> 00:58:49.922
generation of like, oh,

00:58:50.903 --> 00:58:54.086
it's your version of radio.

00:58:54.567 --> 00:58:56.429
It's the radio thing, but now it's like...

00:58:57.425 --> 00:58:58.726
Just expand it a little bit.

00:59:00.807 --> 00:59:01.188
On demand.

00:59:01.208 --> 00:59:03.188
On demand, your topic, Selection Radio.

00:59:03.248 --> 00:59:04.409
That's really what it is.

00:59:04.429 --> 00:59:06.190
Yeah.

00:59:06.251 --> 00:59:06.831
Very cool.

00:59:06.871 --> 00:59:07.172
Very cool.

00:59:07.632 --> 00:59:09.172
Well, Mark, this has been a ton of fun.

00:59:10.313 --> 00:59:11.134
I've learned a lot.

00:59:11.853 --> 00:59:13.394
We really appreciate you being here.

00:59:13.534 --> 00:59:15.797
So big shout.

00:59:15.817 --> 00:59:16.197
Thank you.

00:59:16.257 --> 00:59:17.557
It's been great talking to both of you.

00:59:18.914 --> 00:59:19.273
Awesome.

00:59:19.594 --> 00:59:19.893
Awesome.

00:59:21.315 --> 00:59:21.594
Sophie,

00:59:21.614 --> 00:59:25.255
we do have like a kind of a big

00:59:25.295 --> 00:59:25.797
announcement,

00:59:25.896 --> 00:59:26.556
something that's already

00:59:26.577 --> 00:59:28.378
been out there on the interwebs.

00:59:29.557 --> 00:59:30.898
Let me see if I can pull it

00:59:30.938 --> 00:59:31.498
up really quick.

00:59:31.539 --> 00:59:32.298
But while I do that,

00:59:32.458 --> 00:59:33.260
you want to talk about what

00:59:33.300 --> 00:59:34.360
we're doing next weekend?

00:59:37.204 --> 00:59:37.945
Is it next weekend?

00:59:37.965 --> 00:59:38.744
Is it already next?

00:59:38.885 --> 00:59:39.726
It is next weekend.

00:59:39.826 --> 00:59:41.126
It's already next weekend.

00:59:41.166 --> 00:59:43.146
On March eighth.

00:59:43.186 --> 00:59:43.726
Holy cow.

00:59:43.846 --> 00:59:44.786
I am not ready for this.

00:59:45.306 --> 00:59:45.927
On March eighth,

00:59:45.947 --> 00:59:47.606
we are going to do an edgy

00:59:47.666 --> 00:59:50.487
protocols showdown, which is a mark.

00:59:50.568 --> 00:59:52.088
It's a under the hat podcast

00:59:52.128 --> 00:59:53.447
version of March madness,

00:59:53.827 --> 00:59:54.889
where we are featuring

00:59:55.028 --> 00:59:57.469
sixteen edgy protocols and

00:59:57.489 --> 00:59:58.849
they're going to face off.

00:59:58.989 --> 01:00:01.909
So and next Saturday is

01:00:01.949 --> 01:00:02.730
going to be packed.

01:00:02.769 --> 01:00:06.030
That hour is going to be slam packed with.

01:00:07.590 --> 01:00:11.494
Two rounds of a March Madness bracket.

01:00:11.554 --> 01:00:12.635
So you're going to see all

01:00:12.675 --> 01:00:13.695
sixteen of the Edge of

01:00:13.715 --> 01:00:15.056
Protocols face off and then

01:00:15.097 --> 01:00:16.197
you're going to see them again.

01:00:17.579 --> 01:00:19.059
Those winners of that first round,

01:00:19.099 --> 01:00:20.481
you'll see them again in a second round.

01:00:20.760 --> 01:00:22.101
So then you will know who is

01:00:22.121 --> 01:00:24.164
going to face off on March fifteenth.

01:00:24.577 --> 01:00:25.418
And on March,

01:00:25.438 --> 01:00:27.298
we will decide who is the

01:00:27.378 --> 01:00:29.460
edgy protocols of all edgy protocols,

01:00:30.780 --> 01:00:31.501
which one is.

01:00:31.721 --> 01:00:35.003
And I'm super excited about that.

01:00:35.083 --> 01:00:36.603
I'm super excited about

01:00:37.644 --> 01:00:39.545
collaborating with edgy protocols,

01:00:39.686 --> 01:00:42.967
John and his entire team and

01:00:44.251 --> 01:00:46.713
I'm excited to have sixteen

01:00:46.773 --> 01:00:48.675
people on the show all at one time.

01:00:48.715 --> 01:00:50.277
So that's going to be an interesting,

01:00:50.516 --> 01:00:50.956
it's going to be an

01:00:51.036 --> 01:00:52.057
interesting adventure that

01:00:52.177 --> 01:00:55.880
I am so excited to take on.

01:00:56.460 --> 01:00:57.641
And Steve, have you found it yet?

01:00:59.804 --> 01:01:00.744
I'm about to share it.

01:01:00.764 --> 01:01:02.286
Hold on.

01:01:03.927 --> 01:01:04.067
Yeah,

01:01:04.086 --> 01:01:05.969
we've never had this many people on

01:01:06.009 --> 01:01:06.628
the show.

01:01:06.949 --> 01:01:09.231
And as Sophie pointed out,

01:01:10.012 --> 01:01:10.911
I'm a little nervous.

01:01:10.992 --> 01:01:11.413
I'm like, wait,

01:01:11.512 --> 01:01:12.833
are we going to break StreamYard?

01:01:16.289 --> 01:01:18.672
So yeah, so that's the posting.

01:01:19.132 --> 01:01:20.855
This is the graphic that we've used.

01:01:21.295 --> 01:01:22.215
Big shout out to Sophie.

01:01:23.597 --> 01:01:25.920
Anything that remotely looks

01:01:26.079 --> 01:01:28.221
good from a graphic design standpoint,

01:01:28.240 --> 01:01:29.782
just assume that Sophie's

01:01:29.802 --> 01:01:31.382
the one that did it and not me.

01:01:32.443 --> 01:01:34.965
But yeah, really excited.

01:01:35.085 --> 01:01:37.807
So this is going to go over two Saturdays.

01:01:37.887 --> 01:01:39.228
So next Saturday and then

01:01:39.248 --> 01:01:40.409
the following Saturday.

01:01:41.550 --> 01:01:44.271
We have a lot of good speakers lined up.

01:01:44.833 --> 01:01:46.034
They're very excited to be

01:01:46.313 --> 01:01:48.335
on sharing their knowledge

01:01:48.355 --> 01:01:49.195
of Edgey Protocols.

01:01:50.313 --> 01:01:52.594
And yeah, so there will be, and Sophie,

01:01:52.855 --> 01:01:53.775
I was pulling this up.

01:01:53.815 --> 01:01:54.416
So, you know,

01:01:54.456 --> 01:01:56.637
my multitasking skills or lack thereof.

01:01:57.898 --> 01:01:58.840
She may have mentioned that

01:01:58.880 --> 01:02:00.380
there is going to be a live vote.

01:02:00.541 --> 01:02:01.822
So we're trying to get as

01:02:01.902 --> 01:02:05.224
many folks as possible to vote for.

01:02:05.304 --> 01:02:07.085
So we have two protocols stacked up.

01:02:07.467 --> 01:02:09.307
We do want that vote to come

01:02:09.568 --> 01:02:11.329
in to see who's advancing

01:02:11.349 --> 01:02:12.331
to the next weekend.

01:02:13.592 --> 01:02:15.952
But yeah, we'll expect more postings,

01:02:16.514 --> 01:02:17.974
more stuff on social media.

01:02:18.375 --> 01:02:19.376
And again,

01:02:19.396 --> 01:02:20.697
it's going to go live the way

01:02:20.737 --> 01:02:24.139
that our stuff normally goes live.

01:02:24.199 --> 01:02:27.003
So super excited.

01:02:27.123 --> 01:02:27.382
Yes.

01:02:27.443 --> 01:02:29.465
So I do want to stress again.

01:02:29.981 --> 01:02:31.942
live voting with the live

01:02:31.981 --> 01:02:33.503
showings of what all these

01:02:33.563 --> 01:02:35.463
edu protocols do from edu

01:02:35.503 --> 01:02:37.144
protocol users in the

01:02:37.164 --> 01:02:38.025
classroom and what they're

01:02:38.106 --> 01:02:39.306
actually using these.

01:02:40.166 --> 01:02:41.867
So I'm super excited about it.

01:02:42.367 --> 01:02:44.628
We will be launching next week.

01:02:44.688 --> 01:02:46.429
You'll see out on all the socials,

01:02:47.010 --> 01:02:48.711
the sixteen people who are

01:02:49.572 --> 01:02:50.612
representing an edu

01:02:50.652 --> 01:02:52.313
protocol will start posting

01:02:52.474 --> 01:02:56.016
their amazing little

01:02:56.335 --> 01:02:57.976
graphics that we've designed for them.

01:02:58.615 --> 01:03:00.577
and I'm so excited to have

01:03:00.677 --> 01:03:02.338
everybody on I'm actually

01:03:02.358 --> 01:03:03.759
going to be fangirling just

01:03:03.778 --> 01:03:04.998
a little bit because one of

01:03:05.079 --> 01:03:06.260
our presenters is someone

01:03:06.280 --> 01:03:07.820
that I follow on tick tock

01:03:07.960 --> 01:03:09.581
and I think is fabulous so

01:03:09.601 --> 01:03:13.043
I'm excited yeah no it's

01:03:13.063 --> 01:03:13.884
gonna be a good time it's

01:03:13.903 --> 01:03:14.543
gonna be a good time

01:03:15.364 --> 01:03:16.565
awesome so a lot of

01:03:16.625 --> 01:03:17.764
exciting things coming in

01:03:17.804 --> 01:03:20.166
march uh march is a super

01:03:20.206 --> 01:03:21.726
busy month for me probably

01:03:21.746 --> 01:03:23.288
for all of us uh oh my

01:03:23.307 --> 01:03:26.289
goodness it's crazy um but yeah so

01:03:27.340 --> 01:03:28.521
be on the lookout for that

01:03:28.561 --> 01:03:30.603
friends uh but we're going

01:03:30.643 --> 01:03:32.125
to wrap up this episode

01:03:32.644 --> 01:03:33.885
again big shout out for all

01:03:33.945 --> 01:03:35.606
of those that are uh kind

01:03:35.626 --> 01:03:36.628
of seeing you all on

01:03:36.827 --> 01:03:39.010
instagram on youtube in the

01:03:39.050 --> 01:03:41.070
chat like you know big

01:03:41.090 --> 01:03:42.913
shout big thanks another

01:03:42.952 --> 01:03:44.213
big thanks to mark

01:03:44.253 --> 01:03:45.835
henderson just being on and

01:03:45.894 --> 01:03:47.275
sharing his wisdom and

01:03:47.295 --> 01:03:49.418
guidance uh but we're gonna

01:03:49.657 --> 01:03:51.458
call it a do remember to

01:03:51.478 --> 01:03:53.260
keep your hats on but your

01:03:53.300 --> 01:03:55.561
minds open y'all enjoy the

01:03:55.581 --> 01:03:56.643
rest of your day bye