Episode 42: Moe Labels, Moe Problems...
On this episode of Under the Hat, we have Lisa Moe who is passionate about removing labels from our students to see their full potential. Lisa also has a wide range of knowledge on SEL, STEAM, Computer Science, Edtech, and GAME SHOWS!
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Welcome to the Under the Hat podcast,
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the show where we talk
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about everything and
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anything that is top of
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mind in education.
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The goal is to provide
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meaningful conversations to
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what is currently happening
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in our classrooms.
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Stories, pains, moments of success.
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We want to hear it all.
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welcome friends to another
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episode of under the hats
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we are sitting in december
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fourteenth of twenty twenty
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four this is the last
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episode of this calendar
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year but don't worry we
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have a lot of really cool
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content really good
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conversations coming up uh
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you know i sophie i believe
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that we have bookings all
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the way up until march yeah
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i saw you i saw you doing
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that i was like sweet we're
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pretty we got it all set up ready to go
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Yeah, so no, yes, super excited,
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super excited.
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And so just so you all know,
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Sophie's not at home.
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She's gallivanting.
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Sophie, where are you right now?
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I am in Charlotte at the airport.
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I'm trying to get home from New York City.
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That was an amazing trip for work.
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You know, the side hustle to the podcast.
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But yes,
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I'm actually supposed to be home by now.
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But it's okay.
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It's okay.
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I will get one eventually.
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Yeah, so if Sophie just leaves,
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don't be offended.
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That's her trying to get on an airplane.
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No, that's good, that's good.
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And so, Sophie, we do have,
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before we dive in with Lisa,
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and by the way,
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we do have the phenomenal
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Lisa Mo here in the house.
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We'll be chatting with Lisa
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about all the things in a bit.
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But we do have, Sophie,
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we have some updates on...
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The store.
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The store.
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Yes.
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We have available a couple more.
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I think it's a few sticker options,
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a magnet option, a new hat, a baby onesie,
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some socks,
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and a Christmas tree ornament
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or whatever you want.
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So I'm super excited that
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those designs have been
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posted and are available now.
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Oh, yeah,
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the baby onesie can be done in
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pink for a particular occasion.
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brand um just in case she
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was going to have a girl
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but i guess she doesn't
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need it now oh way to give
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that away um i made when
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sophie showed this to me i
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made the terrible joke of
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like where's the adult size
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um she did not find that
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funny i did not but i
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actually know three people
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pregnant right now and only
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one is having a girl so
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maybe she can buy that one
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Yeah, yeah.
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And then, Sophie,
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this hat is... I love this one.
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It's a distressed cap,
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and it is not embroidered.
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So we wanted to have a...
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And it's not the flat bill.
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So if you're not into the
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flat bill vibe like Steve
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is with the hat that he's
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wearing right now,
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you can get the baseball
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cap that's a little distressed.
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It's super cool looking,
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and it's a little cheaper
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because it's not embroidered.
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Yeah.
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And then, of course, you have...
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for the season here.
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We have the ornaments.
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Yeah, so super good.
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So for any last minute Christmas shopping,
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that you may need to be doing,
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this is here for you, friends.
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And so just keep on a
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lookout for what we have,
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what we're providing.
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why don't you just tell us
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a little bit about your
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education journey?
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Well,
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thank you both so much for having me.
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I'm super excited,
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like super excited as I'm
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waiting for this day.
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Yeah,
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so I teach sixth grade in Corona
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Norco Unified.
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I'm also the gate coordinator.
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So I work with kids third
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grade through sixth grade
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with an after school program.
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I've been teaching, this is almost my,
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this is my tenth year teaching.
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I used to teach in Chino Valley Unified,
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came back home.
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I grew up in Corona Norco Unified,
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so it's really
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Fun to be where I was a product of.
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And yeah, I mean, there's so much to say.
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I could sit here forever.
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I'm a forever student.
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So I'm like always in school.
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So I have my second master's
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degree in educational
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technology from Cal State Fullerton.
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I feel like that one I have
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to always give their shout
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out because I just love them to pieces.
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My undergrad from UCLA,
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my first master's in
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teaching credentials from UCI.
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Like I said, I'm just always in school.
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So that's my journey.
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I'm in the two masters club as well.
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I feel not at your level.
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I only have the one.
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Because you're not.
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That's fair.
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That's fair.
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um and so yeah so Lisa
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that's that's phenomenal I
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you know um really loved
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your like the when we were
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kind of going back and
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forth about the show and
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you filling out the form
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all that all that fun stuff
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like this this concept and
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Sophie and I have talked
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about this student labels
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um like that really
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resonated with us uh for a
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couple reasons one you know
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We haven't had anyone come
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on the show to talk about
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this specific topic.
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But also,
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I feel like that's something that
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we all do and we don't realize.
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I remember even grading
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papers in the classroom.
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And like I would look at one
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paper through a certain
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lens because of previous
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experiences that I've had
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with that student.
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Maybe I knew the family,
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that sort of thing.
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Really curious as to like
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what your work is on this
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topic and kind of like what
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you can share with us on it.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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I think I'm just I'm very
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passionate about this.
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So this is something that
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when I do present or I
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coach other teachers or, you know,
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just the work I'm doing,
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this is one thing that I'm
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just very zoned in on of
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removing those labels on our students.
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And for me,
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my personal story with that is
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that growing up, like I said,
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I have been a lifelong learner,
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but that doesn't mean that
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it's always come easy.
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And part of that is that, you know,
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I struggled with math,
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like math was not my thing.
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And, you know,
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I was told I had to do it one way.
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And even if I could get to the answer,
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if it wasn't done in a certain way,
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that label came over me like,
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you're just not good at this.
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And unfortunately, I had a teacher,
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I won't say what grade,
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but I had a teacher that
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that put that label on me
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and really stripped my
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confidence of who I was.
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And it kind of followed me a
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little bit as I grew up, you know,
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and continued on my educational journey.
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And it really wasn't,
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it didn't matter how many
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more teachers would tell me like,
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you're good at this.
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What are you talking about?
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Like, you got this.
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If I didn't feel like I was
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doing it as fast enough as, you know,
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my classmates or however I
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was already kind of zoned
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in on from that one teacher.
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that was my standard of this makes me,
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you know, good at this,
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or this makes me smart because of this.
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And it really wasn't until I got to,
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I want to say like my
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senior year of high school
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that it kind of just like
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clicked in me of like,
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like you look how far you've made it.
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Like it never stopped me.
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It pushed me,
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but I still had this lack of
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confidence within me.
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And I don't know,
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it just kind of woke me up of,
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how many other students are
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like this around me?
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How many of my classmates
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are like this and seem to
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do incredible things,
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but they're labeled as not a good reader,
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not good at math, not smart enough,
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not fast enough in athletics, not this,
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not that.
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And that's very harmful.
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So I feel like that kind of
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carried on into my career
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of how can we remove that?
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How can we show the
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potential of every student
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without kind of putting them
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in this box right love that
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yeah and it that that also
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carries over into like
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behavior kind of things
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right so like i remember
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you know we get all of our
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rosters like about early
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august late july right
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that's how i was in in in my district
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And then you would enter the
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break room for the first
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time for that PD day.
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And I remember teachers would be like, oh,
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Martinez, you have that kid?
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Yes.
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And out of the gate, maybe without knowing,
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I had this perception of
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this student before I even met them.
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I knew nothing of this student.
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But somebody else had him
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maybe the year before.
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And then now I have this
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preconceived notion
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which is super unfair, right?
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And sometimes that had to do
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with behavior stuff,
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or sometimes it was like, oh,
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that kid can't do this, that,
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or the other.
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And oftentimes I had
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different experiences with
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those students that were
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called out in that way, right?
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For maybe a wide range of reasons.
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Maybe they are growing up, right?
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There's that part of it.
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And maybe the way I taught
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was different than previous teachers.
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And so I would imagine like
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that's a big role with that too.
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So what could we do?
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What are you doing, Lisa,
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maybe like purposefully to
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really like be in the
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mindset to better address that issue?
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Yeah, no,
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you brought up exactly where I
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would take that is also the behavior.
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um you know i don't know if
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that's how your districts
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would work but we get like
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the pink and blue cards you
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know in the summer so all
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you know the girls are
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listed for your class on
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these like just little
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cards and all the boys and
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they tell you you know any
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additional comments that
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you need to know and i learned
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so early on.
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I'm not reading those
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because these are the
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opinions of other kids.
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I want to get to know,
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I want this child to tell
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me exactly who they are.
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I want to get to know who this child is.
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And I have found that that
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has been so helpful for my
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relationship building with
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my students because they
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come in a lot of times
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already feeling like,
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You know who I am.
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Like, I am that kid.
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You know, they're already carrying that.
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But I don't show it.
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I try not to.
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And I think it's not probably until, like,
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parent-teacher conferences because now,
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you know,
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we've been in for a few months
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that I'll glance at these
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cards finally and just kind of see.
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And I find more often I'm like, really?
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That's what they had to say
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about that kid?
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That kid's amazing.
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Or, like, you know, so just really –
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you know, and that's not to discredit any,
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any colleague or anything.
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It's just let these, let these kids,
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let our students tell us who they are.
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Let me learn, you know, what,
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what helps them, what,
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what's causing behavior.
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I think, you know,
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there was a situation a few
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weeks ago where one of my
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students like flat out said to me, look,
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I know I have the
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reputation of being the bad kid.
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I said, who said that?
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Like I, you know,
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No, wipe that, wipe that from your brain.
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You're not.
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Do we all make choices?
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Yeah, you know, but here,
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let's not own that.
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Let's not own that title.
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You know, you're so much more than that.
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And so I feel like that to me is each day,
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each day going into my
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classroom and just truly
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letting them tell me who they are,
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because one day isn't going
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to determine who they are in my eyes.
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And one choice, multiple choices,
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whatever it is,
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we're with these kids from
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like August until May, June.
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I'm in a year round school, so constantly.
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But like when I'm with them,
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it's from that first day to
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my last day with them as my students,
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they have told me who they
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are in so many different ways.
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And it was never that one
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label that came with them.
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So yeah,
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it's being intentional with
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getting to know your kids.
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Yeah.
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And it's that...
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I would have to say, like,
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I would like to add to what
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Steve said earlier.
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Like, yeah,
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I would listen to what they
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were saying in, like,
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the room or on their
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reports that they would get.
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We don't have those taller cars,
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but I was also in middle school.
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So I don't know if that was, like,
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an elementary school day for a while.
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But they would tell me, like,
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this woman is going to need
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help with this.
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This woman is going to need to do that,
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da-da-da-da.
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I usually did,
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I had the opposite of
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everything that was going on, usually,
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with what they've had.
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Even in the same year, they're like,
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I can't have this child in my classroom.
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And I'm like, I love that child.
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That child's so funny.
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Like, he makes me laugh every day.
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And then they're like, oh, yeah, no,
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I don't like their jokes.
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And what usually helps with
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me is that I didn't,
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their names didn't stick in
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my head when I was even
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reading those things.
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And so they always came in
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with a fresh start,
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even when they were like
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telling me their names,
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like telling me their...
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stories about that child.
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I didn't remember.
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So, so it was like a,
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they started a fresh start
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with me every time they came,
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which is really,
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it's really powerful for students,
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especially the students
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that are like little
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siblings of another student.
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They're like living up to their rep,
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their big brother or big
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sister's reputation,
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or sometimes a whole string
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of siblings reputation.
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And then they're the one
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child that's different for that kid.
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yeah i remember having that
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where like i had their older sibling
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And they come in and were like,
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first of all,
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I'm really sorry you had my
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older sibling.
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I'm a very different person.
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They had to front load the
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whole year with that information.
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Michelle Manning is in the chat on Insta.
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And so, Lisa,
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curious what your experience has been.
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Because something that
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Michelle called out was...
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parents so like parents
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swaying our perception
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whether they do it directly
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or indirectly right like
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curious what your
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experiences have been on
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this like with that parent
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context absolutely so you
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know one of the biggest
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things too and when I say
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this like when I don't read
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the cards or whatever it's
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not like I'm always trying
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to go against what any
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other colleague or parent
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or anyone is saying like
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it's just letting the child, like,
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I want to kind of get to know that child,
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that teacher, you know,
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you also hear about those teachers,
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you know,
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and then you try to meet them
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and you're like, you know, they're cool.
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You know, so when it comes to the parents,
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sometimes we have the
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parents that come in and,
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and tell us right away
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about their child and,
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I've had that like the warnings,
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I've had parents bring me
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like wine the first day of school,
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like you got to deal with
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my kid this year.
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And like, it's hilarious,
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but it's also like, okay, like, you know,
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that also will carry into the child.
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And I'm never gonna go against, you know,
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the parent in that way of like saying,
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like, don't speak to your teacher,
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you know,
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But I'm going to at least
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help because a lot of
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sometimes these parents,
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it's their first time being a parent,
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this is their first child.
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So they're also kind of
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comparing their children to
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other children.
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And they they feel, you know,
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they're apologizing for it.
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And it's like, Oh, that's your child.
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Like, let's, let's support them together.
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And I think that's always my
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go to is to really from day one,
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like at parent information
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night or meet the teacher or whatever,
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is I
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I speak on like the more than a label.
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I still am like with the
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clean slate with me.
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I'm going to show you every
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can't that your child has
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faced in their life.
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We're going to find their cans,
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their I can moments this year.
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And we're not always going to focus on the,
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their weaknesses.
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We're going to focus on their strengths.
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because you have incredible children.
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And I'm fortunate to be
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their teacher this year.
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And I get to work with you
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in in really bringing that out of them.
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And
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So I,
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I feel and I'm huge on communication
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to like, you know, it's become a joke,
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because I do write these
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like newsletters daily to the family.
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But that's part of those conversations.
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So I always give three
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questions for the parent to
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ask their child,
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and it has to do with
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something that we learned that day.
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That way, when the kids go home, it's not
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you know, what'd you do at school today?
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Nothing.
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Like, no, you did so much today.
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You did so much.
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So it's also bridging the
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conversation with family.
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So the parents also feel
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connected with what's going
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on in the classroom.
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And we're all part of it.
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So when behaviors do come up,
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I could talk about it.
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I could address it with that
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parent comfortably.
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I don't have to fear
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going to them and then saying, well,
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this is the first time I'm
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hearing about this.
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It's just keeping that like
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open conversation with them.
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And I always, always address.
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So how can we moving forward?
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How can I support both, you know,
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you and your child?
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You know, whatever the choice was,
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you know, it's sixth grade.
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There's a lot of choices.
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But that is my role is to
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help prepare them.
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And like I said, sometimes these parents,
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it's their first time being
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a parent of a sixth grader.
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So I can't assume they
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already know their most
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experiences when they were
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in junior high or they were
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in sixth grade.
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So now it's my job.
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to help everyone get
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comfortable and prepared
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for their next step in life.
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So yeah, building that, you know, rapport.
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I just want to say bravo for,
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for doing that.
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Cause I'm actually, I have two,
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two kids and my first boy
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is so sweet and loving.
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And my second one is
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not so much and i'm already
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i'm terrified of the labels
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that they're going to be
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getting that he
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specifically is going to be
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getting as he goes up
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through and they're already
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comparing the two and i'm
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getting a label as that
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parent because i'm getting phone calls of
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He's hit a teacher today.
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He's bit another kid today.
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Like,
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and I'm coming in and he needs these
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supports.
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They're both autistic and nonverbal.
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So they already have these labels.
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I'm like, well,
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what are you not providing to him?
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No, but we have to advocate too.
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That's, that's a big thing.
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And, um, and, and like that,
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like you just told me about your child.
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So like, or your children.
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So for me, it's okay.
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what can I do to support you?
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You like, how can we work together?
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Like that,
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that to me is always going to be
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at least for me, the key of like,
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I can't just come at you and say like,
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there's nothing that can be done.
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And you can't come at me and say, well,
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what have you done?
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We need to do it together.
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You know, we need to like,
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we need to work together.
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How, because I, and I,
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I am a believer of this.
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I know this,
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this isn't always the favorite thought,
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but I do believe that
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Children learn in different
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ways on different days.
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And sometimes we don't know
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what happened in the
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morning that they're coming in from.
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We don't know what they're going home to.
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We don't know even sometimes
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when they're out at lunch,
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someone might have said
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something that we don't know.
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We don't know what they're processing.
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We don't know those emotions
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that are coming at them suddenly.
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And like I said, sixth grade,
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sometimes they don't know
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how to handle those emotions
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you know, that just kind of hit them.
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And I think that, again,
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is we just have to kind of,
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I work from a space of who
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did I need at that age?
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What did I need at that age?
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And I think that is always very helpful.
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Even in those moments that
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sometimes I'm like, Oh, my goodness,
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what is happening to
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yesterday was Friday the
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thirteenth and like a full moon.
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Okay.
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There was a lot happening in
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the classroom.
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Yeah, yeah.
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you know,
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and it's a week before Christmas
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for your holidays.
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Yeah, everything.
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And so just taking that step
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back again yesterday, like, okay,
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if I'm feeling this, they're feeling this,
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let's get on the same level together.
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Let's, let's close our books.
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Let's laugh for a few minutes.
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Let's just like, breathe it out.
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Let's go take a walk.
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Let's do something.
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And we're going to come back and do this,
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you know, so it's just, like I said,
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I would talk with you of like,
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how can I support
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you know, what can we do together that,
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you know, we're finding a solution.
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Yeah.
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I will say that the best
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years I've had have been
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the years where the
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teachers communicated with me the most.
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When they're being off,
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when they're feeling weird
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and they notice something
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is off and they pay attention.
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Those are the teachers that
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our kids have had the best
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time and the best
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experiences at school
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because the teacher is
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watching them and learning
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them because they can't
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talk and tell them.
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And they're talking to me
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and letting me know what's
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going on because they can't
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talk and tell me.
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So those are the best years.
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So bravo to you for being
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that newsletter everyday
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teacher because parents
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appreciate it more than you know.
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Well, also like the communication,
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like my daughter's in
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second grade and I do see
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the change in years when
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the communication is only
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logistical communication
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versus kind of what you're describing,
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like you're communicating
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for a lot of meaningful reasons, right?
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And so to me, that's,
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That's quite powerful.
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Lisa, I was going to ask earlier,
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are you in a K through six
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school or is it six through eight?
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It's K through six.
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So I am their last step
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before they move on to the middle school.
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I would imagine that.
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So with teaching sixth grade,
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this can be like like kind of off topic,
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like really quick, but like.
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that year gets thrown in
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different environments, right?
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So they're either the big
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shots on campus or they're like emerging,
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like they're the youngest, right?
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So, and to me that's,
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but so it's K through six.
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So that probably changes
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things in the sense, just with everything,
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right?
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Because they're the big kids on campus.
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Yes, but you know what I noticed so much,
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and I noticed even as a kid,
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so is that when we got to
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sixth grade and when these
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kids get to sixth grade,
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it's like they're still
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being supported up until fifth grade.
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And then I noticed even some
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of the parents that are in
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sixth grade that they're like, well,
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they're at that age now.
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Like, that's also part of the label.
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It's like, they're at that age now.
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They got it.
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They should be doing this on their own.
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And it's like, there's still like,
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eleven and twelve years old.
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Like, they still,
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they have not gone to middle school.
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They're still babies.
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They're still babies.
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And like, I couldn't, like,
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my class this year, I love, like,
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there's a,
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there's a innocence about them that, like,
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yes, they want to grow up.
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They want to be cool.
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They want to be the oldest on campus.
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But the minute I pull out
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stickers or like we get
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some marbles in the jar,
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like this excitement.
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And so like,
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there's still that childhood aspect.
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And again, going back to parents,
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that's one thing that I always,
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there's five,
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sixth grade teachers and
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we're all self-contained.
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But that one of my biggest
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things with the parents is
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telling them like,
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this is your child's last
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year of elementary.
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This is their last chance with recess.
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This is their last chance of,
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just of you coming and
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helping out in the classroom.
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Yes,
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I'm going to prepare your child for
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middle school.
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I promise you that.
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However,
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I'm not going to take their
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childhood away from them.
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So I want to keep them as
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innocent as I can as well.
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Like we're going to,
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we're going to get our
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hands dirty with Play-Doh
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and we're going to create
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and we're going to make,
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and we're going to do all that, you know,
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and yeah.
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And so for me, yeah,
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that bridge to getting them
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to middle school is you
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have to keep their
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childhood while preparing them,
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while growing them into independence.
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And that's kind of the
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feedback I get from my daughter's school.
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So they are K through eight.
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Oh, wow.
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So they go through the junior high years.
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Dole immersion school too.
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Like that's part of their.
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Oh, really?
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Okay.
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Yay.
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Shout out for Dole immersion.
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So, so important.
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And so one thing I noticed
00:26:24.410 --> 00:26:26.011
and hearing other parents talk about it,
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they're like, oh, Steve,
00:26:26.951 --> 00:26:28.051
wait till Riley gets to
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about fourth or fifth grade,
00:26:30.512 --> 00:26:31.292
all the homework.
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right like to where they
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don't they don't have time
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to be kids is kind of the
00:26:37.677 --> 00:26:39.838
feedback i get and she goes
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to a really good school so
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like there's no shade but
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it's like we all know that
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like there's benchmarks
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there's all these all these
00:26:46.681 --> 00:26:49.163
different things um so i'm
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curious with this this
00:26:52.284 --> 00:26:54.025
conversation this topic of
00:26:54.165 --> 00:26:55.386
student labels like
00:26:56.407 --> 00:26:57.087
kind of talked about like
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the communication kind of
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like your mindset but what
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do you do like
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instructionally to make
00:27:03.711 --> 00:27:08.014
this happen as well yeah um
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if i could if i could speak
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on one thing and i this is
00:27:11.215 --> 00:27:12.296
something that like i've
00:27:12.356 --> 00:27:15.518
spoken about this is this
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is really what impacted me
00:27:16.879 --> 00:27:18.540
as an educator and so i
00:27:18.580 --> 00:27:19.560
feel like i need to tell
00:27:19.600 --> 00:27:22.602
this story um so one one of
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my first years i had a student
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who, again,
00:27:26.328 --> 00:27:28.190
I was kind of told ahead of time,
00:27:29.050 --> 00:27:30.451
he's going to be mainstreamed,
00:27:30.651 --> 00:27:33.534
like he autistic, this is his first,
00:27:33.634 --> 00:27:34.655
you know, he's really, you know,
00:27:34.775 --> 00:27:36.256
coming into a mainstream classroom.
00:27:36.736 --> 00:27:38.157
And at meet the teacher,
00:27:38.217 --> 00:27:39.458
his parents kind of came to
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me and we're very,
00:27:41.060 --> 00:27:42.541
we're going to be here every day.
00:27:42.841 --> 00:27:44.622
Like we want to know, you know, check in,
00:27:44.743 --> 00:27:47.244
check out, we want to know everything.
00:27:47.365 --> 00:27:48.726
And then they also told me like,
00:27:48.786 --> 00:27:51.548
he doesn't know he's autistic.
00:27:52.573 --> 00:27:55.375
Like, we just want him to know who he is.
00:27:55.435 --> 00:27:57.676
Like, that's not something that, you know,
00:27:58.397 --> 00:28:00.979
and eventually we'll talk
00:28:01.019 --> 00:28:01.659
to him about it.
00:28:01.679 --> 00:28:02.199
But right now,
00:28:02.400 --> 00:28:03.080
and at the time I was
00:28:03.100 --> 00:28:03.941
teaching fourth grade.
00:28:04.441 --> 00:28:05.982
So right now he's just a fourth grader.
00:28:07.343 --> 00:28:07.763
And again,
00:28:07.783 --> 00:28:09.124
having those conversations with
00:28:09.164 --> 00:28:09.844
his parents,
00:28:10.625 --> 00:28:13.167
like almost instantly because
00:28:13.187 --> 00:28:15.008
of my communication, because of, you know,
00:28:15.048 --> 00:28:16.289
the comfort that I feel
00:28:16.309 --> 00:28:17.249
like I was able to give them,
00:28:17.569 --> 00:28:19.711
they weren't as, you know, on me.
00:28:20.218 --> 00:28:21.518
um immediately you know as
00:28:21.538 --> 00:28:24.639
they intended to be and his
00:28:24.659 --> 00:28:25.899
name's ramari and i could
00:28:25.959 --> 00:28:28.420
speak openly of him um he
00:28:29.800 --> 00:28:31.160
at he he lacked
00:28:31.200 --> 00:28:33.921
self-confidence he um would
00:28:33.981 --> 00:28:35.261
stim so like when he's
00:28:35.281 --> 00:28:36.341
stimming he would like kind
00:28:36.381 --> 00:28:37.782
of like put his fist like
00:28:37.802 --> 00:28:38.882
this and hit and make
00:28:38.962 --> 00:28:40.602
noises and the other fourth
00:28:40.622 --> 00:28:41.382
graders they're kind of
00:28:41.402 --> 00:28:42.583
like why aren't you doing
00:28:42.703 --> 00:28:44.003
anything miss mo like what
00:28:44.447 --> 00:28:45.628
Why don't you stop being like,
00:28:45.648 --> 00:28:46.929
this is kind of annoying or this,
00:28:46.989 --> 00:28:48.090
you know, the looks I would get.
00:28:48.690 --> 00:28:51.332
But part of my classroom culture,
00:28:52.093 --> 00:28:53.974
we have two class mottos and it's yes,
00:28:54.074 --> 00:28:55.795
I can and be kind.
00:28:56.196 --> 00:28:57.937
And those are two things from the get go.
00:28:57.997 --> 00:28:58.457
Like if,
00:28:58.738 --> 00:29:01.440
if you can't like have either of those,
00:29:01.580 --> 00:29:02.901
like we need to,
00:29:03.161 --> 00:29:04.262
we need to start over together.
00:29:04.302 --> 00:29:05.543
We need to like come back
00:29:05.583 --> 00:29:06.423
together as a group.
00:29:06.864 --> 00:29:07.764
Where's the kindness.
00:29:08.465 --> 00:29:09.466
And that goes with yourself.
00:29:09.486 --> 00:29:10.566
That's the yes, I can.
00:29:10.627 --> 00:29:11.767
So we say, yes, I can.
00:29:11.807 --> 00:29:12.848
Yes, you can together.
00:29:12.868 --> 00:29:13.829
It makes yes, we can.
00:29:14.584 --> 00:29:17.967
And working with Ramai throughout the year,
00:29:19.007 --> 00:29:19.788
I started seeing this
00:29:19.828 --> 00:29:21.569
confidence grow and grow and grow.
00:29:22.050 --> 00:29:24.691
And so one day he, over the weekend,
00:29:24.791 --> 00:29:25.792
I guess he had
00:29:25.892 --> 00:29:27.754
self-identified because he
00:29:27.794 --> 00:29:29.595
watched Rain Man and he was
00:29:29.635 --> 00:29:30.956
watching it and he told his parents, Hey,
00:29:30.976 --> 00:29:32.777
he's like me, like very nonchalant, like,
00:29:32.817 --> 00:29:33.158
Hey.
00:29:33.638 --> 00:29:35.539
And so they talked to him about it.
00:29:35.639 --> 00:29:37.321
And so they kind of let me know,
00:29:37.361 --> 00:29:39.142
like he's coming in and like, he,
00:29:39.382 --> 00:29:42.144
he knows, you know, that he has, you know,
00:29:42.164 --> 00:29:43.405
that he's autistic and,
00:29:44.040 --> 00:29:44.480
everything.
00:29:44.520 --> 00:29:46.381
And so, again, they,
00:29:46.421 --> 00:29:47.202
we just wanted to kind of
00:29:47.242 --> 00:29:48.602
protect him because they're
00:29:48.642 --> 00:29:49.623
fourth graders, you know,
00:29:49.643 --> 00:29:51.504
we just want to make sure, you know,
00:29:51.604 --> 00:29:54.185
again, this label isn't seen negatively.
00:29:54.625 --> 00:29:55.786
But what happened is we just
00:29:55.806 --> 00:29:57.207
so happened to be going into,
00:29:58.047 --> 00:29:59.748
like the autism Awareness Month,
00:29:59.928 --> 00:30:00.868
and our school gave us
00:30:00.888 --> 00:30:01.849
these like little puzzle
00:30:01.869 --> 00:30:04.990
pieces to decorate and put on our doors.
00:30:05.631 --> 00:30:07.352
And when I handed it out to him,
00:30:07.412 --> 00:30:09.193
he got very excited.
00:30:09.293 --> 00:30:11.914
And he was like, Oh, can I say something?
00:30:12.496 --> 00:30:14.037
And I like, yeah,
00:30:14.217 --> 00:30:16.057
and it was a moment for me
00:30:16.077 --> 00:30:19.579
that I easily could have been like, No,
00:30:19.619 --> 00:30:20.639
let's talk about it,
00:30:20.659 --> 00:30:21.659
because I knew kind of what
00:30:21.699 --> 00:30:22.500
he wanted to say.
00:30:23.160 --> 00:30:24.200
And I want to protect him,
00:30:24.260 --> 00:30:27.381
but I could trust my kids about this.
00:30:27.561 --> 00:30:28.902
And so
00:30:30.019 --> 00:30:31.261
he stood up and he started
00:30:31.301 --> 00:30:33.805
talking very openly about his autism.
00:30:33.985 --> 00:30:35.807
And he's telling the kids, like,
00:30:36.268 --> 00:30:38.992
you would be so lucky to be like me.
00:30:39.332 --> 00:30:39.793
And he's like,
00:30:39.853 --> 00:30:41.455
so confident this kid that
00:30:41.475 --> 00:30:44.580
had come in confidence and
00:30:45.494 --> 00:30:47.255
he's explaining to them why he does this.
00:30:47.335 --> 00:30:47.615
And he's like,
00:30:47.635 --> 00:30:48.856
you might think this is weird,
00:30:48.896 --> 00:30:50.496
but I do this when I'm happy.
00:30:50.596 --> 00:30:51.597
So know that that's like,
00:30:51.897 --> 00:30:54.278
this is something like, and he's like,
00:30:54.758 --> 00:30:56.539
and so I'm watching the faces of my kids.
00:30:56.779 --> 00:30:58.520
I'm like in the back, like, I'm just like,
00:30:58.600 --> 00:30:59.861
I'm going to cry so hard.
00:31:00.441 --> 00:31:01.562
And I decided to pull out my
00:31:01.622 --> 00:31:02.702
phone to record for his
00:31:02.762 --> 00:31:03.643
parents just to say like,
00:31:03.663 --> 00:31:04.483
look at your baby.
00:31:04.523 --> 00:31:05.184
You know,
00:31:05.284 --> 00:31:06.504
I had that relationship with them,
00:31:06.544 --> 00:31:08.125
but I was like, Oh my God, look at him.
00:31:08.965 --> 00:31:12.347
What I wasn't anticipating is at the end,
00:31:13.500 --> 00:31:15.141
some kid's hands went up and he's like,
00:31:15.181 --> 00:31:16.001
questions.
00:31:16.161 --> 00:31:16.582
Like, ooh,
00:31:16.602 --> 00:31:17.902
he was so excited that they had
00:31:17.942 --> 00:31:18.443
questions.
00:31:19.203 --> 00:31:19.903
And again,
00:31:20.103 --> 00:31:21.324
I could have stepped in and been like,
00:31:21.424 --> 00:31:21.684
okay,
00:31:21.724 --> 00:31:23.185
let me screen these questions
00:31:23.205 --> 00:31:23.905
because I don't know what's
00:31:23.925 --> 00:31:24.686
about to be said.
00:31:24.766 --> 00:31:25.126
I don't know.
00:31:25.666 --> 00:31:26.427
But I could trust the
00:31:26.747 --> 00:31:28.408
innocence of these children.
00:31:28.668 --> 00:31:31.829
And I just, I knew where they stood.
00:31:31.929 --> 00:31:33.030
I knew as a classroom,
00:31:33.070 --> 00:31:34.090
like this culture that we
00:31:34.130 --> 00:31:35.511
had been building all year.
00:31:36.131 --> 00:31:38.353
And the first question was,
00:31:38.413 --> 00:31:39.493
can I have a huggy?
00:31:39.833 --> 00:31:41.154
That was one of the little girls.
00:31:41.234 --> 00:31:42.134
And like, he's like, yeah,
00:31:42.154 --> 00:31:43.155
and he's hugging them.
00:31:43.807 --> 00:31:46.288
And another boy in the
00:31:46.328 --> 00:31:48.469
classroom who was always
00:31:48.489 --> 00:31:49.490
kind of the hardest on
00:31:49.530 --> 00:31:51.111
Ramari who didn't fully
00:31:51.171 --> 00:31:52.591
ever understand him.
00:31:53.312 --> 00:31:53.612
You know,
00:31:53.632 --> 00:31:55.933
Ramari would be playing a game at
00:31:55.973 --> 00:31:58.334
recess or PE or even in class,
00:31:58.354 --> 00:31:59.335
like if he didn't do well
00:31:59.555 --> 00:32:01.636
on like his math test or his, you know,
00:32:01.676 --> 00:32:02.016
reading,
00:32:02.696 --> 00:32:04.117
his emotions would get him and
00:32:04.137 --> 00:32:05.358
they would escalate, you know,
00:32:05.378 --> 00:32:06.858
and the kids would be like, calm down.
00:32:06.898 --> 00:32:08.879
Like, you know, they didn't understand.
00:32:09.520 --> 00:32:10.840
And this little boy kind of
00:32:10.860 --> 00:32:11.921
took it in and he was like,
00:32:13.491 --> 00:32:14.452
when people have autism,
00:32:14.872 --> 00:32:15.933
do they sometimes have a
00:32:15.953 --> 00:32:17.594
hard time controlling their emotions?
00:32:17.735 --> 00:32:19.996
Like, you could just see him processing,
00:32:20.056 --> 00:32:21.798
like, and understanding.
00:32:22.478 --> 00:32:23.679
And I loved Ramari's
00:32:23.739 --> 00:32:25.201
response because he was just like, oh,
00:32:25.281 --> 00:32:25.961
yeah, sometimes.
00:32:26.041 --> 00:32:27.583
Just, like, very, like, yeah.
00:32:29.464 --> 00:32:30.205
And what I wasn't
00:32:30.265 --> 00:32:31.786
anticipating is I just
00:32:31.846 --> 00:32:33.307
loved this moment in my class.
00:32:33.367 --> 00:32:34.548
It was so organic.
00:32:34.588 --> 00:32:35.449
It was so raw.
00:32:36.110 --> 00:32:38.051
And that all came to go back
00:32:38.071 --> 00:32:38.612
to your question.
00:32:38.772 --> 00:32:40.213
Why I tell this story is
00:32:40.253 --> 00:32:42.535
because instructionally, like,
00:32:43.466 --> 00:32:43.826
again,
00:32:43.866 --> 00:32:45.508
it always goes back to and it's simple.
00:32:45.588 --> 00:32:46.569
It's just yes, I can.
00:32:47.189 --> 00:32:48.830
It's just working with each
00:32:48.850 --> 00:32:50.952
of my kids on how can they
00:32:51.092 --> 00:32:53.174
overcome these roadblocks
00:32:53.234 --> 00:32:53.774
in front of them?
00:32:53.834 --> 00:32:54.735
What are their struggles?
00:32:54.795 --> 00:32:56.016
And when they don't do well?
00:32:56.597 --> 00:32:57.217
How can we?
00:32:57.858 --> 00:32:58.818
How can we grow from this?
00:32:58.858 --> 00:33:00.319
How can we learn from this mistake?
00:33:00.380 --> 00:33:01.020
Or how can we?
00:33:01.641 --> 00:33:03.522
Okay, maybe you didn't understand.
00:33:04.123 --> 00:33:05.844
Let me re approach you.
00:33:06.604 --> 00:33:07.585
Like in my teaching,
00:33:07.625 --> 00:33:08.606
how can I help you
00:33:08.986 --> 00:33:10.047
understand this better?
00:33:10.688 --> 00:33:10.928
And
00:33:11.666 --> 00:33:12.407
on a side note,
00:33:12.447 --> 00:33:13.487
what I didn't anticipate
00:33:13.507 --> 00:33:14.868
with that day is I had
00:33:15.409 --> 00:33:16.389
received permission from
00:33:16.489 --> 00:33:17.550
every parent if I could
00:33:17.770 --> 00:33:20.332
post it just to show other educators,
00:33:20.392 --> 00:33:22.073
like, look at this.
00:33:22.113 --> 00:33:23.874
Just on my personal Facebook,
00:33:24.394 --> 00:33:26.115
I kid you not, I went to bed,
00:33:26.536 --> 00:33:27.496
I wake up in the morning,
00:33:27.616 --> 00:33:29.438
this thing is everywhere.
00:33:29.938 --> 00:33:31.419
It went so beyond viral that
00:33:31.439 --> 00:33:33.400
within a few days, Lester Holt was, like,
00:33:33.440 --> 00:33:35.622
in my classroom interviewing my class.
00:33:36.022 --> 00:33:38.643
We're all talking about, like, kindness,
00:33:38.724 --> 00:33:40.945
and Ramari became this, like, he just was
00:33:41.958 --> 00:33:43.339
he's telling the world at
00:33:43.359 --> 00:33:44.440
this platform of like,
00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:46.201
it's my superpower.
00:33:46.381 --> 00:33:48.183
And so we took this kid who
00:33:48.563 --> 00:33:49.964
parents came in very
00:33:50.584 --> 00:33:51.945
fearful of what this
00:33:52.025 --> 00:33:53.547
experience would become to
00:33:53.607 --> 00:33:55.528
now their son is like
00:33:56.048 --> 00:33:57.549
advocating for himself.
00:33:57.790 --> 00:33:59.811
And it was just one of the
00:33:59.851 --> 00:34:02.313
most amazing moments in my life.
00:34:02.706 --> 00:34:03.626
But one of the biggest
00:34:03.666 --> 00:34:05.047
things that I always have
00:34:05.087 --> 00:34:06.867
to say is that as my kids
00:34:06.887 --> 00:34:08.688
were super excited about like, yeah,
00:34:08.708 --> 00:34:09.708
we're on TV and we're in
00:34:09.728 --> 00:34:10.709
the newspaper and we're
00:34:10.749 --> 00:34:11.569
here and we're there.
00:34:12.089 --> 00:34:13.450
We're a trending topic for
00:34:13.590 --> 00:34:14.810
Apple News and we're like
00:34:14.870 --> 00:34:16.451
on Good Morning America and
00:34:16.471 --> 00:34:16.891
all this stuff.
00:34:17.491 --> 00:34:18.812
I wanted them to go back to,
00:34:19.512 --> 00:34:21.132
you didn't know that was going to happen.
00:34:21.753 --> 00:34:23.273
This was an organic moment.
00:34:23.773 --> 00:34:25.314
Like this was all organic.
00:34:26.757 --> 00:34:28.077
And my question is, why,
00:34:28.177 --> 00:34:29.418
why did this make the news
00:34:29.458 --> 00:34:30.238
in the first place?
00:34:30.278 --> 00:34:32.319
Why was kindness and acceptance?
00:34:32.339 --> 00:34:33.739
Cause that was like the headline was like,
00:34:33.779 --> 00:34:36.000
kids, kids are accepting of, you know,
00:34:36.020 --> 00:34:37.160
their autistic classmate.
00:34:37.220 --> 00:34:39.341
Like, why is that a news story?
00:34:40.201 --> 00:34:41.542
And so my biggest lesson is
00:34:42.162 --> 00:34:43.182
there must not be enough
00:34:43.242 --> 00:34:44.243
kindness in the world.
00:34:44.263 --> 00:34:45.203
There must not be enough
00:34:45.303 --> 00:34:46.363
acceptance in the world.
00:34:46.403 --> 00:34:48.044
There must not be enough.
00:34:48.449 --> 00:34:50.169
self-acceptance as Ramari
00:34:50.189 --> 00:34:51.570
showed us in the world that
00:34:51.610 --> 00:34:53.830
when we see it, it becomes a new story.
00:34:54.410 --> 00:34:56.270
So my biggest platform is to
00:34:56.330 --> 00:34:57.251
make it the norm,
00:34:57.291 --> 00:34:58.731
to be accepting of one
00:34:58.791 --> 00:35:00.331
another and to have our
00:35:00.351 --> 00:35:02.472
students be proud to be who they are.
00:35:02.712 --> 00:35:04.932
So it never has to be a new story again.
00:35:05.272 --> 00:35:07.432
So we never have to go viral again,
00:35:07.492 --> 00:35:08.793
that this is just the norm.
00:35:09.773 --> 00:35:11.053
And yeah, so that,
00:35:11.553 --> 00:35:13.754
that in a long winded way,
00:35:14.514 --> 00:35:15.894
when I'm teaching my students,
00:35:16.359 --> 00:35:18.081
When we're instructionally,
00:35:18.601 --> 00:35:20.002
it's just working with them
00:35:20.043 --> 00:35:21.324
to be proud to be who they
00:35:21.404 --> 00:35:22.485
are and when they make
00:35:22.505 --> 00:35:23.506
mistakes that we could get
00:35:23.546 --> 00:35:24.907
back up again and we could
00:35:24.927 --> 00:35:25.928
keep moving forward.
00:35:28.510 --> 00:35:31.453
That so many things are
00:35:31.493 --> 00:35:32.134
going through my head,
00:35:32.154 --> 00:35:33.115
just hearing that
00:35:33.155 --> 00:35:35.777
phenomenal story like it.
00:35:35.797 --> 00:35:37.298
So I guess I guess the first
00:35:37.338 --> 00:35:38.860
thing is like to your point.
00:35:40.167 --> 00:35:42.649
what does that say about our
00:35:42.729 --> 00:35:45.651
world when kindness is that
00:35:45.711 --> 00:35:49.233
rare like that there's
00:35:49.313 --> 00:35:50.053
there's something to be
00:35:50.153 --> 00:35:52.735
said about that and because
00:35:52.775 --> 00:35:53.716
at first i was like well
00:35:53.756 --> 00:35:54.957
that says a lot about like
00:35:55.577 --> 00:35:57.038
the school system but no
00:35:57.078 --> 00:35:59.900
like it says a lot about
00:36:00.040 --> 00:36:02.702
like us as a society like
00:36:02.902 --> 00:36:05.283
in general that kindness
00:36:05.663 --> 00:36:06.904
makes the news because you
00:36:06.944 --> 00:36:07.765
turn on the news
00:36:09.396 --> 00:36:10.396
Your story was probably the
00:36:10.537 --> 00:36:13.218
only kind story that day.
00:36:13.838 --> 00:36:14.138
Right.
00:36:15.739 --> 00:36:17.620
And so, but yeah, like I,
00:36:17.720 --> 00:36:19.241
and shout out to you for
00:36:19.281 --> 00:36:21.762
like pulling it back for
00:36:21.782 --> 00:36:23.163
your students to be like,
00:36:23.243 --> 00:36:25.764
while they're excited and that's,
00:36:25.804 --> 00:36:26.304
that's good.
00:36:26.404 --> 00:36:26.804
That's good.
00:36:26.844 --> 00:36:27.585
But also like,
00:36:28.485 --> 00:36:29.426
also know like the real
00:36:29.486 --> 00:36:30.846
reason why this is good.
00:36:31.206 --> 00:36:32.327
Like it's not good.
00:36:32.347 --> 00:36:33.408
Cause it made the news.
00:36:33.468 --> 00:36:34.708
Like the core of it is that
00:36:34.788 --> 00:36:36.469
it's good because it's,
00:36:36.648 --> 00:36:37.549
kindness is just so
00:36:37.609 --> 00:36:40.731
important um and and so
00:36:41.211 --> 00:36:43.273
yeah that's that's
00:36:43.313 --> 00:36:45.554
phenomenal and and so kind
00:36:45.574 --> 00:36:46.875
of like the big answer that
00:36:47.015 --> 00:36:48.416
i got away from that story
00:36:48.756 --> 00:36:50.698
was like really being
00:36:51.498 --> 00:36:53.160
thoughtful about that class
00:36:53.200 --> 00:36:55.821
time and space in the sense
00:36:55.841 --> 00:36:58.904
of like it's okay to let a
00:36:59.004 --> 00:37:01.245
student shine on a social
00:37:01.585 --> 00:37:03.587
and emotional level um
00:37:04.530 --> 00:37:06.251
And while we're all trying
00:37:06.271 --> 00:37:08.791
to meet deadlines and like
00:37:08.891 --> 00:37:10.032
I come from the high school space,
00:37:10.072 --> 00:37:10.892
so it was always like,
00:37:11.572 --> 00:37:12.392
got to get to the end of
00:37:12.412 --> 00:37:15.213
the textbook by May, right?
00:37:15.293 --> 00:37:16.134
Like that sort of thing.
00:37:16.314 --> 00:37:16.954
And I know for you,
00:37:16.974 --> 00:37:18.434
it might be like benchmarks
00:37:18.494 --> 00:37:20.615
and you have state testing
00:37:21.035 --> 00:37:23.076
to combat with and all of that.
00:37:23.456 --> 00:37:25.216
But just giving that space
00:37:25.276 --> 00:37:28.557
for kids to be kids and
00:37:28.877 --> 00:37:30.178
allowing them to talk that out.
00:37:31.515 --> 00:37:32.516
that was a moment of
00:37:32.576 --> 00:37:34.497
learning like not just for
00:37:34.517 --> 00:37:35.498
the student that was
00:37:35.518 --> 00:37:37.359
sharing but for the whole
00:37:37.439 --> 00:37:39.981
room to hear that right
00:37:40.401 --> 00:37:41.942
completely and their
00:37:42.743 --> 00:37:44.564
responses were so authentic
00:37:44.624 --> 00:37:45.965
you know it was truly them
00:37:46.005 --> 00:37:48.147
processing and like really
00:37:48.227 --> 00:37:49.548
understanding who he was
00:37:49.748 --> 00:37:51.929
and they're all high school
00:37:51.969 --> 00:37:53.590
sophomores now which blows
00:37:53.651 --> 00:37:55.532
my mind and they're also
00:37:56.446 --> 00:37:57.326
like close still,
00:37:57.366 --> 00:37:59.908
but like Ramari is a scholar athlete,
00:37:59.968 --> 00:38:02.949
like he is shining in high school.
00:38:03.109 --> 00:38:04.089
And, you know,
00:38:04.330 --> 00:38:05.890
I'm still very close with
00:38:05.910 --> 00:38:08.692
him and his family, that whole group,
00:38:09.012 --> 00:38:09.372
truly,
00:38:09.392 --> 00:38:11.153
just because the experience we went
00:38:11.193 --> 00:38:11.713
through together,
00:38:11.773 --> 00:38:12.753
but what I love is that
00:38:13.113 --> 00:38:14.434
they're out in the world now.
00:38:15.995 --> 00:38:18.416
Being so accepting of others
00:38:18.456 --> 00:38:20.777
differences like that, that to me,
00:38:21.157 --> 00:38:21.957
and because of that,
00:38:21.997 --> 00:38:23.038
they continue to teach
00:38:23.534 --> 00:38:25.297
year after year my next
00:38:25.338 --> 00:38:26.680
classes you know and so
00:38:26.740 --> 00:38:28.203
it's just like it carries
00:38:28.363 --> 00:38:31.249
on of you enter this classroom
00:38:32.346 --> 00:38:34.168
this is who you, you know,
00:38:34.208 --> 00:38:35.429
you show up authentically yourself.
00:38:35.489 --> 00:38:37.090
You don't have the right to
00:38:37.410 --> 00:38:39.132
anybody else feel unwelcomed here.
00:38:39.472 --> 00:38:40.913
This is our space together.
00:38:41.533 --> 00:38:44.236
And it really does carry through,
00:38:44.416 --> 00:38:44.776
you know?
00:38:45.196 --> 00:38:45.937
And so I think that's kind
00:38:45.957 --> 00:38:47.118
of what brought me into sixth grade too,
00:38:47.138 --> 00:38:48.819
because I saw the need there.
00:38:49.680 --> 00:38:50.601
The need was, you know,
00:38:50.641 --> 00:38:52.342
they're further in their, you know,
00:38:52.402 --> 00:38:53.123
their journey.
00:38:53.323 --> 00:38:55.284
And that's when they kind of start to,
00:38:56.245 --> 00:38:57.046
you know, really,
00:38:57.895 --> 00:38:59.396
really pick on each other of
00:38:59.456 --> 00:39:00.757
like their differences and
00:39:00.797 --> 00:39:02.858
so it's bringing that back
00:39:02.978 --> 00:39:05.079
in you know so like you
00:39:05.119 --> 00:39:06.299
said we do have these
00:39:06.359 --> 00:39:07.880
deadlines but the learning
00:39:08.641 --> 00:39:09.621
if the social emotional
00:39:09.661 --> 00:39:10.622
part isn't there the
00:39:10.682 --> 00:39:11.722
learning isn't going to be
00:39:11.822 --> 00:39:13.403
as effective so they need
00:39:13.443 --> 00:39:15.504
to they need to come in
00:39:15.564 --> 00:39:17.565
knowing that again I always
00:39:17.605 --> 00:39:18.726
tell them if you if I ask
00:39:18.746 --> 00:39:19.706
you what you know two times
00:39:19.766 --> 00:39:20.847
two is and you say pink
00:39:20.947 --> 00:39:22.748
elephant we're not going to
00:39:22.788 --> 00:39:23.628
laugh we're going to say
00:39:23.688 --> 00:39:25.529
not quite let's learn why
00:39:25.569 --> 00:39:27.310
it's not you know and so like
00:39:28.102 --> 00:39:30.083
And to go off of that,
00:39:30.103 --> 00:39:32.144
like the instructional part, as you said,
00:39:32.584 --> 00:39:33.964
I don't say the word test
00:39:34.144 --> 00:39:35.825
in my classroom because I
00:39:35.845 --> 00:39:37.265
know that I have test anxiety.
00:39:37.406 --> 00:39:38.386
I know how I am.
00:39:39.366 --> 00:39:41.007
And so we call them smarty
00:39:41.027 --> 00:39:42.808
parties in my classroom and
00:39:44.628 --> 00:39:45.188
shifting that.
00:39:45.208 --> 00:39:46.069
And I have to give the shout
00:39:46.089 --> 00:39:47.669
out because I had a college
00:39:47.689 --> 00:39:49.470
professor who called them
00:39:49.570 --> 00:39:50.831
celebrations of knowledge.
00:39:51.371 --> 00:39:52.911
And that really helped when
00:39:52.951 --> 00:39:54.732
it was time for midterms and finals.
00:39:54.832 --> 00:39:56.293
Oh, it's just a celebration of knowledge.
00:39:56.333 --> 00:39:57.213
Show us what you know.
00:39:57.780 --> 00:39:58.781
I took that idea.
00:39:58.981 --> 00:40:00.362
But the way I explain it
00:40:00.402 --> 00:40:01.924
with a smarty party is,
00:40:02.464 --> 00:40:03.845
when you walk into a party,
00:40:04.246 --> 00:40:05.927
there's going to be people you know,
00:40:06.027 --> 00:40:07.769
right away you feel comfortable with.
00:40:07.829 --> 00:40:08.870
And those are those problems.
00:40:09.630 --> 00:40:11.812
And that you're like, yes, I've got this.
00:40:12.693 --> 00:40:14.234
You go a little bit more into that party.
00:40:14.254 --> 00:40:14.775
And there's going to be
00:40:14.815 --> 00:40:16.456
people that you recognize their face,
00:40:16.496 --> 00:40:17.657
but you're like, Oh, my gosh,
00:40:17.757 --> 00:40:18.778
I can't remember their name.
00:40:18.838 --> 00:40:20.620
If someone would just give me a reminder.
00:40:21.139 --> 00:40:22.059
And those are those problems
00:40:22.099 --> 00:40:22.980
that when we're, you know,
00:40:23.000 --> 00:40:25.100
testing that you're like, I know this.
00:40:25.540 --> 00:40:26.881
I just need a little hint.
00:40:27.361 --> 00:40:29.061
And then if you just trust
00:40:29.081 --> 00:40:30.442
it and you continue going to the party,
00:40:30.462 --> 00:40:31.702
you might see that I have
00:40:31.762 --> 00:40:32.982
never won in this day in my life.
00:40:33.042 --> 00:40:34.503
I have no idea who those people are.
00:40:35.023 --> 00:40:35.863
And I tell my kids,
00:40:36.043 --> 00:40:38.384
but just step off the wall.
00:40:38.404 --> 00:40:39.484
Don't be a wallflower.
00:40:39.604 --> 00:40:41.245
If you don't know it, you will soon.
00:40:41.325 --> 00:40:42.345
Just join the party.
00:40:42.565 --> 00:40:44.325
And so I just see the
00:40:44.365 --> 00:40:45.566
confidence in my students
00:40:45.586 --> 00:40:46.146
year after year.
00:40:46.166 --> 00:40:47.206
It's when they don't know
00:40:47.286 --> 00:40:48.807
something or they're really struggling,
00:40:49.247 --> 00:40:49.987
they know that,
00:40:50.767 --> 00:40:52.669
It's OK to tell me or they're like,
00:40:52.689 --> 00:40:53.930
I'm just confused and we're
00:40:53.950 --> 00:40:55.031
going to learn it together
00:40:55.632 --> 00:40:56.433
and I'm going to help you
00:40:56.473 --> 00:40:57.414
understand it better.
00:40:57.714 --> 00:40:58.555
We're going to work through
00:40:58.615 --> 00:41:00.297
it and it's OK to make
00:41:00.337 --> 00:41:01.818
mistakes as long as you
00:41:01.858 --> 00:41:03.380
learn from it and socially
00:41:03.520 --> 00:41:04.341
and academically.
00:41:04.361 --> 00:41:10.246
Yeah, because this this if the mindset is,
00:41:10.707 --> 00:41:12.188
hey, I don't know often.
00:41:13.295 --> 00:41:14.416
And then I don't know how to
00:41:14.457 --> 00:41:15.398
do anything about that.
00:41:15.699 --> 00:41:17.682
That's going to snowball over time, right?
00:41:17.802 --> 00:41:20.066
Like that is part of how you
00:41:20.126 --> 00:41:22.691
end up with a group of
00:41:22.751 --> 00:41:24.854
people that are either not
00:41:24.895 --> 00:41:26.237
equipped for life or...
00:41:27.530 --> 00:41:29.371
not literate or you know
00:41:29.571 --> 00:41:30.731
like just knowing how to
00:41:30.751 --> 00:41:31.892
get the right answer like
00:41:31.932 --> 00:41:34.053
like and that's to me like
00:41:34.433 --> 00:41:36.034
as when i was still in the
00:41:36.094 --> 00:41:37.154
in the classroom full-time
00:41:37.554 --> 00:41:38.615
like that was that was a
00:41:38.655 --> 00:41:39.695
big part of like what we
00:41:39.715 --> 00:41:40.615
were trying to do what i
00:41:40.635 --> 00:41:42.276
was trying to do is like
00:41:42.776 --> 00:41:43.557
how do you go and get the
00:41:43.577 --> 00:41:44.597
information that you need
00:41:44.897 --> 00:41:46.358
to solve whatever it is
00:41:47.194 --> 00:41:51.395
whether that's pass a DMV test or like,
00:41:51.575 --> 00:41:54.695
you know, how to manage your finances,
00:41:54.735 --> 00:41:54.855
right?
00:41:55.115 --> 00:41:57.096
Like all these different things,
00:41:57.156 --> 00:42:02.177
but it is easy for a student to feel like,
00:42:02.477 --> 00:42:02.697
well,
00:42:02.957 --> 00:42:05.337
I don't know and I'm never gonna know.
00:42:06.397 --> 00:42:07.337
And like you being able to
00:42:07.357 --> 00:42:08.618
break that down for them
00:42:08.818 --> 00:42:11.878
and break down that barrier is super big.
00:42:14.419 --> 00:42:15.979
I think, like I said, I come from my own,
00:42:17.289 --> 00:42:18.470
just my own experience.
00:42:18.550 --> 00:42:18.830
And like,
00:42:18.850 --> 00:42:19.931
I think I could talk to my
00:42:20.351 --> 00:42:22.573
students about that of like, yeah,
00:42:22.673 --> 00:42:24.514
I struggled with, you know,
00:42:24.554 --> 00:42:25.975
this type of math geometry
00:42:26.115 --> 00:42:27.296
and I did not get along,
00:42:27.916 --> 00:42:28.717
but I'm here now.
00:42:28.917 --> 00:42:29.817
And I could tell you guys,
00:42:29.877 --> 00:42:31.999
like I learned it and I
00:42:32.019 --> 00:42:35.181
know it and take me a little extra time.
00:42:35.301 --> 00:42:36.022
Absolutely.
00:42:36.082 --> 00:42:37.903
Did I get it right away?
00:42:37.963 --> 00:42:38.163
No,
00:42:38.463 --> 00:42:41.785
but I I'm on the other side of it and
00:42:41.845 --> 00:42:42.406
it's okay.
00:42:42.746 --> 00:42:43.847
You'll get there, you know,
00:42:43.867 --> 00:42:44.507
you'll get there.
00:42:44.968 --> 00:42:45.828
And I think that's always
00:42:45.868 --> 00:42:47.109
really helpful is that I could,
00:42:47.732 --> 00:42:50.693
relate with them that's so
00:42:50.733 --> 00:42:53.513
good that's so good i um i
00:42:53.573 --> 00:42:54.653
do at least have to give
00:42:54.693 --> 00:42:55.834
you a shout and correct me
00:42:55.854 --> 00:42:57.734
if i'm wrong um because you
00:42:57.754 --> 00:42:58.614
had posted something
00:42:58.814 --> 00:43:00.675
earlier today that seemed
00:43:00.695 --> 00:43:03.435
like exciting news oh um
00:43:03.635 --> 00:43:05.776
and it looks like your feet
00:43:05.836 --> 00:43:06.596
you're you're recently
00:43:06.616 --> 00:43:07.156
you've been recently
00:43:07.196 --> 00:43:08.516
featured in a magazine is
00:43:08.556 --> 00:43:10.197
that is that correct yes thank you um
00:43:12.519 --> 00:43:14.941
For Medium, Magazine Medium,
00:43:15.081 --> 00:43:16.182
Authority Magazine.
00:43:16.282 --> 00:43:16.523
Yes,
00:43:16.623 --> 00:43:20.006
I was interviewed on just my journey
00:43:20.026 --> 00:43:22.128
with AI in education and again,
00:43:22.168 --> 00:43:24.550
breaking barriers for our students.
00:43:24.630 --> 00:43:25.571
And yeah,
00:43:25.631 --> 00:43:26.672
so I'm really excited about that.
00:43:26.692 --> 00:43:27.112
Oh, that's awesome.
00:43:27.132 --> 00:43:28.934
I was like, congratulations.
00:43:29.574 --> 00:43:30.935
Because I saw that this morning.
00:43:31.035 --> 00:43:32.577
I was like, how new is this?
00:43:32.797 --> 00:43:34.418
So I'm assuming this is
00:43:34.458 --> 00:43:35.980
something that is new, right?
00:43:36.460 --> 00:43:37.761
Like as of today?
00:43:37.862 --> 00:43:39.483
Yeah, so within like the last week,
00:43:40.368 --> 00:43:41.488
I probably shouldn't say.
00:43:41.508 --> 00:43:44.009
So it like came up last week,
00:43:44.069 --> 00:43:45.249
but they spelt my name wrong.
00:43:45.469 --> 00:43:47.010
So they had to go back.
00:43:47.130 --> 00:43:49.030
They put an E at the end of my name.
00:43:49.570 --> 00:43:51.251
And so they had to wait for the final.
00:43:51.931 --> 00:43:54.512
So today is like the pretty one.
00:43:55.392 --> 00:43:55.812
Yes.
00:43:56.132 --> 00:43:56.472
Awesome.
00:43:56.632 --> 00:43:58.613
No, that's super good.
00:43:58.653 --> 00:44:00.854
So with AI,
00:44:01.254 --> 00:44:04.735
so what's the AI context with all that?
00:44:06.995 --> 00:44:09.195
So to know I served last
00:44:09.216 --> 00:44:10.996
year as a CSTA computer
00:44:11.016 --> 00:44:11.696
science teachers
00:44:11.736 --> 00:44:13.296
association equity fellow,
00:44:14.097 --> 00:44:15.077
one of the only teachers
00:44:15.097 --> 00:44:17.117
from California selected an
00:44:17.157 --> 00:44:19.858
amazing year long fellowship process,
00:44:19.958 --> 00:44:21.738
and I continue working with them.
00:44:21.818 --> 00:44:24.299
So again, just equity in the classroom.
00:44:25.859 --> 00:44:26.839
And then also from the lens
00:44:26.879 --> 00:44:28.200
of computer science as well.
00:44:28.260 --> 00:44:31.600
But for me, I think, you know,
00:44:31.700 --> 00:44:34.021
AI is coming so fast, it is here.
00:44:34.201 --> 00:44:34.301
And
00:44:34.894 --> 00:44:35.954
we're all trying to figure
00:44:36.114 --> 00:44:37.815
out what are we doing and
00:44:37.875 --> 00:44:38.655
what is happening.
00:44:38.955 --> 00:44:40.116
But again,
00:44:40.796 --> 00:44:42.636
I take my step back of what my
00:44:42.696 --> 00:44:44.837
focus is and I see it
00:44:45.297 --> 00:44:46.778
through the lens of what,
00:44:47.098 --> 00:44:48.698
how can this support my students?
00:44:48.778 --> 00:44:51.559
So I could take a text that
00:44:51.599 --> 00:44:53.780
might be difficult for one
00:44:53.800 --> 00:44:55.780
of my students to read and
00:44:55.880 --> 00:44:58.241
I could change it, you know, to,
00:44:58.641 --> 00:45:00.262
to their level where
00:45:00.282 --> 00:45:02.082
they're still reading along with us.
00:45:02.462 --> 00:45:04.463
And I'm not, I'm not like,
00:45:05.087 --> 00:45:07.009
out you know outcasting them
00:45:07.029 --> 00:45:07.970
they're still part of it
00:45:07.990 --> 00:45:08.851
they're still getting the
00:45:09.271 --> 00:45:10.512
the court you know without
00:45:10.712 --> 00:45:12.254
fully realizing that things
00:45:12.274 --> 00:45:13.235
have been changed for them
00:45:13.255 --> 00:45:14.596
so it's very individualized
00:45:14.616 --> 00:45:16.177
for each of my students and
00:45:16.798 --> 00:45:19.260
um helping my students
00:45:19.320 --> 00:45:21.942
understand the barriers
00:45:21.962 --> 00:45:23.744
that come with ai and
00:45:24.104 --> 00:45:25.586
sometimes you know um
00:45:26.705 --> 00:45:28.186
it's not always correct and
00:45:28.206 --> 00:45:29.326
there's still a lot of work
00:45:29.366 --> 00:45:31.247
to be done with ai and so
00:45:31.287 --> 00:45:32.408
don't take it for what it
00:45:32.568 --> 00:45:34.269
is entirely but that's our
00:45:34.309 --> 00:45:36.450
job is to help grow ai and
00:45:36.490 --> 00:45:38.431
how to teach ai you know
00:45:38.471 --> 00:45:39.671
it's not teaching us we're
00:45:39.711 --> 00:45:41.812
teaching it and so just to
00:45:41.852 --> 00:45:43.193
have that platform to speak
00:45:43.213 --> 00:45:44.354
with medium magazine was
00:45:44.414 --> 00:45:46.355
really really awesome it
00:45:46.395 --> 00:45:48.035
came through my work with a
00:45:48.115 --> 00:45:51.177
csta and just um yeah just
00:45:51.297 --> 00:45:52.478
what's what's happening in
00:45:52.578 --> 00:45:53.718
education and my biggest
00:45:53.738 --> 00:45:54.499
thing and i have to give a
00:45:54.519 --> 00:45:55.339
shout out to you because
00:45:55.975 --> 00:45:57.716
with your work with Kami,
00:45:57.776 --> 00:45:59.677
I see all the amazing things you do.
00:45:59.837 --> 00:46:00.898
And one of the things that I
00:46:00.918 --> 00:46:02.359
cannot thank you enough is
00:46:02.379 --> 00:46:05.121
that you take educational,
00:46:05.261 --> 00:46:07.522
like a standpoint and you
00:46:07.562 --> 00:46:08.803
hear our feedback and you,
00:46:09.383 --> 00:46:11.284
you listen to us because
00:46:11.304 --> 00:46:12.605
there's a lot of tools out
00:46:12.625 --> 00:46:13.346
there that are like,
00:46:13.686 --> 00:46:14.947
this was good for teachers
00:46:15.007 --> 00:46:16.608
and students in the classroom.
00:46:17.128 --> 00:46:17.928
And they've never stepped
00:46:17.968 --> 00:46:19.749
foot in a classroom and you get it.
00:46:19.769 --> 00:46:21.370
And you're like this.
00:46:21.931 --> 00:46:22.071
No, no.
00:46:22.844 --> 00:46:23.485
Now it's kind of being
00:46:23.525 --> 00:46:25.646
forced that I have to use this and no.
00:46:26.507 --> 00:46:28.088
And so I just appreciate the
00:46:28.108 --> 00:46:29.269
work that you do because I
00:46:29.349 --> 00:46:31.110
see you with your background,
00:46:31.130 --> 00:46:31.990
with education,
00:46:32.151 --> 00:46:33.071
what you do and the way
00:46:33.091 --> 00:46:34.592
that you connect with educators.
00:46:35.913 --> 00:46:37.774
You are making a difference for all of us.
00:46:38.355 --> 00:46:40.636
I'm a big Cammie, big, big Cammie fan.
00:46:40.656 --> 00:46:42.197
I really appreciate that.
00:46:42.258 --> 00:46:44.879
Yeah,
00:46:44.979 --> 00:46:47.381
I think that I can't take the credit
00:46:47.421 --> 00:46:47.681
for this,
00:46:47.721 --> 00:46:50.083
but I think Cammie did make a really
00:46:52.033 --> 00:46:54.894
Really big, important move in about,
00:46:55.714 --> 00:46:58.995
I had it been like, it was like very,
00:46:59.055 --> 00:46:59.635
very, like,
00:46:59.675 --> 00:47:00.495
we were just getting out of
00:47:00.515 --> 00:47:02.975
the pandemic where they were like,
00:47:03.135 --> 00:47:03.916
wait a second.
00:47:04.316 --> 00:47:04.596
Why are,
00:47:05.116 --> 00:47:08.977
why are we being the spokesman or
00:47:08.997 --> 00:47:10.497
like what, why, why,
00:47:10.717 --> 00:47:11.917
why are we being the ones
00:47:11.977 --> 00:47:13.078
to have these conversations
00:47:13.118 --> 00:47:14.218
and training teachers and
00:47:14.278 --> 00:47:15.018
training coaches?
00:47:17.126 --> 00:47:18.988
We have a bunch of Steve and
00:47:19.028 --> 00:47:19.848
Sophie's out there.
00:47:21.109 --> 00:47:23.230
And so them making that move
00:47:23.270 --> 00:47:24.891
to hire folks to basically
00:47:24.951 --> 00:47:26.052
still be educators.
00:47:26.072 --> 00:47:28.393
And that's what I appreciate
00:47:28.673 --> 00:47:31.315
about what I do at Kami.
00:47:31.927 --> 00:47:35.331
I don't know if I'd be a good salesperson.
00:47:38.695 --> 00:47:40.116
I just cringe just thinking about that.
00:47:40.316 --> 00:47:41.738
I just would not do that well.
00:47:43.340 --> 00:47:45.662
But it does feel like with my role,
00:47:46.704 --> 00:47:48.405
we're teaching, but our audience,
00:47:48.926 --> 00:47:51.209
not the kids necessarily, but we are,
00:47:51.569 --> 00:47:52.350
I would like to think,
00:47:53.187 --> 00:47:54.728
indirectly making an impact
00:47:55.448 --> 00:47:56.508
on the students like by
00:47:56.588 --> 00:47:58.029
equipping the teachers with
00:47:58.389 --> 00:48:00.470
how to use technology uh
00:48:00.530 --> 00:48:01.990
transformatively in the
00:48:02.010 --> 00:48:04.591
classroom um so yeah really
00:48:04.951 --> 00:48:05.751
really appreciate that
00:48:05.791 --> 00:48:09.053
shout um i so we lisa we we
00:48:09.093 --> 00:48:10.793
are coming up close to the
00:48:10.933 --> 00:48:12.154
end of the episode here
00:48:12.174 --> 00:48:12.974
want to be respectful of
00:48:13.054 --> 00:48:16.395
time um we we always have
00:48:16.555 --> 00:48:18.016
that one question towards
00:48:18.056 --> 00:48:21.377
the end here um of you know
00:48:22.135 --> 00:48:22.856
And you may have already
00:48:23.156 --> 00:48:24.737
talked about it to an extent,
00:48:24.797 --> 00:48:25.758
or it can be something different.
00:48:26.178 --> 00:48:27.559
By the way, everyone says AI.
00:48:28.499 --> 00:48:30.801
So you can say AI if you want.
00:48:31.261 --> 00:48:33.483
But what is, you know,
00:48:33.523 --> 00:48:34.644
what's top of mind right now?
00:48:34.664 --> 00:48:35.744
Like what is something that
00:48:35.764 --> 00:48:36.885
maybe is keeping you up at
00:48:36.945 --> 00:48:38.326
night or maybe something
00:48:38.366 --> 00:48:39.667
else that you're really excited about?
00:48:40.407 --> 00:48:42.549
Yeah, no, it's funny that AI,
00:48:42.649 --> 00:48:43.309
I could have guessed it's
00:48:43.630 --> 00:48:46.051
AI because that tends to be the question,
00:48:46.191 --> 00:48:47.973
or the answer.
00:48:48.053 --> 00:48:48.853
But no,
00:48:48.893 --> 00:48:50.835
kind of going back to my kudos to
00:48:50.895 --> 00:48:51.395
you is AI.
00:48:52.081 --> 00:48:53.201
What is kind of keeping me
00:48:53.221 --> 00:48:54.582
up at night is that I am
00:48:54.642 --> 00:48:55.522
seeing a shift in our
00:48:55.602 --> 00:48:57.742
education system where the
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educator is being removed.
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We're not talking enough to educators.
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There's a lot of big business happening.
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I'm seeing it with conferences.
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I'm seeing it with
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promotional things for educators.
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There's so many things that
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we're removing.
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the educator.
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And I think that is kind of
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a concern because like I said,
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we're in the classroom,
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we're being told what's
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happening in the classroom, but it's like,
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no, that's not happening.
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You know,
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there's the news that's on social
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media of like,
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teachers are saying this
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and teachers are going against this.
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And it's like, you know, we're,
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we're still dealing with
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our students day in and day out.
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And then all this is happening too.
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But at the core of it,
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don't forget we care about
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our students first and foremost.
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And so I think that's been
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kind of keeping me up at
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night because I'm seeing
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the removal of the educator
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and the voice of the educator.
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So that's what I'm trying to
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keep going with.
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Yeah.
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And I guess what's not helping right now,
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and this is not confidential information,
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you can look online to look at this,
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but you mentioned the
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business side of education.
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It's really busy, right?
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Just within AI tools themselves,
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just that part of the market,
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there's a lot of them now.
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And I think what's kind of
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aggravating all that too is
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ESSER funding going away, right?
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Like there's, especially Lisa in our state,
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right?
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Where there are a lot of
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budgetary concerns,
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conversations happening
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where now that makes all
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these companies even,
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they need to be even more loud, right?
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Um, and, but in the process though, I do,
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I do think that's a
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powerful point of like, in the, in the,
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in the midst of all that,
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it is removing the educator from,
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and not to say that we had
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a voice at the table to begin with,
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that's a whole different conversation.
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Um, but it makes it worse.
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Right.
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And, and, and so no, that's,
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that's certainly, um,
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that's certainly something worth,
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worth talking about.
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And
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i love that you're doing the
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work that you're doing at
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the level that you're doing
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it from the classroom like
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there and and i do miss
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that piece of it um where like
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It comes across super authentic, right?
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And I do understand that, you know,
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you're speaking at conferences,
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like you're delivering stuff.
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Where can people find you?
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Where can maybe like
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in-person at conferences as
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well as online?
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So online,
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I'm Miss MoTeaches across all
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social media.
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And I will be at FECC in
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Florida next month.
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I'm presenting twice.
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I'll be at Spring Q in Palm
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Springs in March.
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You can catch me online as well,
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doing different webinars
00:52:11.365 --> 00:52:13.705
with CSTA and Riverside
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County Office of Education.
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But social media is always
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the way to contact me.
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It's lifelong support.
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So you reach out to me.
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I'm always going to
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respond back and help and share.
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I love sharing as much as I
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love learning from each and everybody.
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Yeah.
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No, that's phenomenal.
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Yeah.
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I'll be sure to link up all
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your stuff in the show notes.
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Did I make it up that you
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and I both spoke at the Edu
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Protocol Worldwide?
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Did I, did I make that up?
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No, you did not make that up.
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Yes.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Cool.
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Cool.
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Um, and so I was like, I,
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I thought Lisa was there.
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Um, yeah, so no, that's, that's cool.
00:52:57.712 --> 00:52:59.213
So edu protocols.
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Um, so like when you,
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when you are at conferences, um, what,
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what type of topics,
00:53:03.914 --> 00:53:05.514
like what kind of things that,
00:53:05.714 --> 00:53:06.975
that you're, that you're sharing?
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Yeah.
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So, um, no, I share about edu protocols.
00:53:10.456 --> 00:53:12.036
I share a lot of just the things that I'm,
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I'm doing in the classroom again,
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always with the social emotional.
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approach.
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My big thing, and that's just me.
00:53:19.989 --> 00:53:21.270
This is me since birth.
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This is not a character.
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This is me.
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I love glitter.
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I love glam.
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So you usually could find me
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in my sparkles at these conferences.
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And I love to have an approach of like,
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usually my theme is very
00:53:35.097 --> 00:53:36.818
game show because I do have
00:53:36.838 --> 00:53:38.719
a background of being on game shows.
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And I used to work for Conan O'Brien,
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so bringing in my
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entertainment side as well
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and just going big and
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showing educators what can
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be done in the classroom
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and sharing all my tools and resources.
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So it's social-emotional
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from ed tech to computer science,
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equity and inclusivity.
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You're gonna get it all in one big package,
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so.
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And game shows.
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And game shows.
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There's always prizes.
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No, that's super good.
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That's super good.
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But listen, Lisa,
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I believe if you're going to FETC,
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I believe Sophie will be there.
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So that would be a good time
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to connect with her in person.
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I will be in Palm Springs this March.
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Yeah,
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happy to be sure to go to that
00:54:31.497 --> 00:54:33.359
exhibit hall or I will try
00:54:33.379 --> 00:54:34.620
to catch one of your sessions,
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time permitting.
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Yeah.
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But yeah, no.
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So Lisa, thank you so much for hopping on,
00:54:41.946 --> 00:54:42.827
for being a part of this.
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I know that I learned a lot.
00:54:44.989 --> 00:54:45.830
I know my listeners are
00:54:45.850 --> 00:54:47.852
going to get a lot out of it.
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And so just really appreciate you.
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Thank you so much.
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No,
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I appreciated every moment of this
00:54:54.386 --> 00:54:55.107
conversation.
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So thank you.
00:54:55.867 --> 00:54:57.228
This was a good Saturday morning.
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So thank you.
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Yes, yes, yes.
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And for everybody, you know, jumping on,
00:55:04.074 --> 00:55:05.576
catching, watching, listening,
00:55:06.516 --> 00:55:09.139
just thank you so much for contributing,
00:55:09.259 --> 00:55:10.640
for showing that love to the show.
00:55:10.660 --> 00:55:12.722
And, you know, again,
00:55:12.742 --> 00:55:15.504
this is the last episode of twenty five.
00:55:15.984 --> 00:55:19.387
I believe the first one back
00:55:19.487 --> 00:55:21.408
is going to be on January fourth.
00:55:21.969 --> 00:55:24.251
So be on the lookout for that.
00:55:25.071 --> 00:55:26.752
And just super excited to
00:55:27.153 --> 00:55:29.054
roll through the spring with the show.
00:55:29.755 --> 00:55:31.156
If my math is correctly,
00:55:31.196 --> 00:55:32.277
and sometimes it's not,
00:55:32.357 --> 00:55:33.638
I believe season two is
00:55:33.698 --> 00:55:36.440
going to end about episode sixty ish,
00:55:36.580 --> 00:55:37.461
which is, I think,
00:55:37.481 --> 00:55:38.141
going to be a pretty cool
00:55:38.161 --> 00:55:38.942
milestone for the show.
00:55:40.195 --> 00:55:41.457
But with all that being said,
00:55:41.597 --> 00:55:43.500
you all enjoy the rest of your Saturday.
00:55:44.402 --> 00:55:46.305
As always, keep your hats on,
00:55:46.425 --> 00:55:47.607
but your minds open.
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Catch you next time.
Lisa Moe
Educator
Lisa Moe, known on social media as @MissMoeTeaches, teaches 6th grade at Corona-Norco Unified School District. She has received multiple accolades for her contributions to education, including the 2020 Edwin Carr Award in Educational Technology from California State University, Fullerton, and the 2021 IACUE Blended and Online Educator of the Year. In 2022, Lisa was featured on CBS's Mission: Unstoppable for her leadership in STEM. As a 2023-2024 CSTA Equity Fellow and K-8 Chapter Leader for CSTA GLA, she is dedicated to challenging and changing inequities in STEAM, computer science, and educational technology.